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May I remind you Michael that YOU are the one who has to pay for sex so go ahead and kiss my fat ass.  :)  Oh and I want the mirror YOU'RE looking in!  Ha!  I'll pay top dollar for it!!!  LOL





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Sled and 69er......you two are both exhibiting shoddy thought on this issue.  I understand.  You never miss a chance to fling a dogdoo snow cone at Sonja when even the tiniest opportunity presents itself.

Because what you are saying is basically......since the CEO of Exxon just got busted for pedophilia, we can safely assume that his underling in charge of the office in Kansas City is also a pedophile. that's a prime example of shoddy thinking.  Assumption based horseshit.

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Re: Dennis Hof Refuses to Pay $1400 to Former Working Girl
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so go ahead and kiss my fat ass.  :)
Thanks for the offer.  However, since you have that department covered many times over, I politely decline. 

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Well The new Tasty Taylor seems well.. Tasty!  ;)

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Re: Dennis Hof Refuses to Pay $1400 to Former Working Girl
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WOW !!!!!!

Now i know what a pie fight on the internet looks like !!!!

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May I remind you Michael that YOU are the one who has to pay for sex so go ahead and kiss my fat ass.  :)  Oh and I want the mirror YOU'RE looking in!  Ha!  I'll pay top dollar for it!!!  LOL

I know this isn't my argument but I couldn't help but be struck by how the Director of Media Relations for a brothel s slinging disparaging comments about how a legal brother regular customer "has" to pay for sex.

Does it strike anyone else as odd that a brothel media relations professional would come on a message board comprised mostly of people who choose to pay for sex and insult them for it?? I mean this does not surprise me at all coming from Madison, but to quote William Shatner, "irony can be pretty ironic sometimes."

 :D  :D

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May I remind you Michael that YOU are the one who has to pay for sex so go ahead and kiss my fat ass.  :)  Oh and I want the mirror YOU'RE looking in!  Ha!  I'll pay top dollar for it!!!  LOL

I know this isn't my argument but I couldn't help but be struck by how the Director of Media Relations for a brothel s slinging disparaging comments about how a legal brother regular customer "has" to pay for sex.

Does it strike anyone else as odd that a brothel media relations professional would come on a message board comprised mostly of people who choose to pay for sex and insult them for it?? I mean this does not surprise me at all coming from Madison, but to quote William Shatner, "irony can be pretty ironic sometimes."

 :D  :D

Hey, it's no worse then what Susan from the wild horse said in an interview which just about amounted to mother nature not being kind to the men in as far as looks goes but the Florence Nightingales were there to save the day.

And what was worse is most the men shook their head in agreement as if the brothels were doing them a favor.

Can you imagine that, Don Rickles would be proud. People paying to be insulted.

What a country! ::)

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May I remind you Michael that YOU are the one who has to pay for sex so go ahead and kiss my fat ass.  :)  Oh and I want the mirror YOU'RE looking in!  Ha!  I'll pay top dollar for it!!!  LOL

I know this isn't my argument but I couldn't help but be struck by how the Director of Media Relations for a brothel s slinging disparaging comments about how a legal brother regular customer "has" to pay for sex.

Does it strike anyone else as odd that a brothel media relations professional would come on a message board comprised mostly of people who choose to pay for sex and insult them for it?? I mean this does not surprise me at all coming from Madison, but to quote William Shatner, "irony can be pretty ironic sometimes."

 :D  :D

I don't HAVE to pay for sex.  I choose to, because I'm done dealing with the additional bullshit that comes with a relationship.

Madison Graham, you should rethink your position in media relations.  You're not very good at it.

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Time out......

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Re: Dennis Hof Refuses to Pay $1400 to Former Working Girl
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I think both sides are acting like children, and this is why you don't date at work.
I do love how Dennis is such a polorizing figure,  he could blow his nose and out of the woodworks would come a raviging herd of haters and then the defenders...... lol

He outed a working girl's real name and address. He has put her in danger. This has nothing to do with haters coming out of the woodwork. I also don't think it is related to the fact they dated. As others have mentioned, he has done this to other women. He wasn't dating them.

I hope you realize that you have the option of remaining silent on these issues. When you make comments like the one above, you just sound like everyone else who defends Dennis. If you stay out of it, people can think there is a possibility that you might have some integrity. He's your boss, but you aren't obligated to defend him. Shame on you for trying to reduce a serious and dangerous situation to people being haters. That is a typical defense of every criticism of Dennis.

Just seems to be the way they do business. The picture that was posted of me was not just the tip of my nose. It was me laying on the table and Fiona and Dallas were doing body shots but hey they can spin that shit any way they want and then request the thread closed before you can even offer a rebuttal. Unless you have time to sit on this board all day.


They don't just threaten to out people. They actually do out people. Clients and working girls alike. Doesn't matter if it is a picture, the written word or a phone call to the wife it all has the same effect.

Can anyone define "dating them" ???

From what I saw he must "date" a lot of them....lol

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Re: Dennis Hof Refuses to Pay $1400 to Former Working Girl
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And the way Dennis chose to respond to Krissy's apology was to tweet her real name and home address? After she apologized? Nothing Krissy wrote was untrue. Dennis emailed her that he wasn't going to pay her. When she didn't get her payment a month after she had left she assumed he made good on his promise. She gets a deposit days after she embarrasses the ranch, apologizes and how is the apology taken?

Posting her real name and home address on Twitter. Take note, Bunny Ranch employees. Take note, when you piss off the Bunny Ranch the first weapon of choice is publicly outting people.

Oh, gee golly. Oh jeebs! I read down on the twitter of Dennis... and it's still partly there! Jeebs her real name and the picture with part of her address are still there! Her name and apartment number! Scary for Krissy, now every perv in that city could find her real facebook, go and over try and borrow a cup of sugar!  :o :o :o >:(

I mean I saw her uncomfortableness in the ustream clip from this summer with her and Brooke (the who supposedly actually loves Dennis) and figured she would probably be leaving the ranch soon, but this is kinda mean just outing her real info like that. Not cool, regardless of whether she was being snotty on twitter or whatever.  :o ???

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NOT defending Dennis on this.  However I think a few of you are getting slightly over excited on the issue.  It was frequently mentioned she was a former cheerleader at a major university.  Her name and picture would have most certainly been published repeatedly.  I was surprised she mentioned that past as it made stalking next to trivial.  I dunno how many of you are familiar with the people searching websites, but it's rather easy to find a person if you know name, state and approximate age.  Can usually track an address of a person for free.  For a few bucks you can get a ton of personal information. (not sure whats included as I've never paid)  All he really did was take it from trivial to brain dead in terms of potential stalkers.  I only know the basics, and fully aware there are a ton of other and better ways to stalk online.  (specifically avoided going any farther done that road)

That said, it was still a pretty bone headed move on Dennis's part.  There was no way it would not be a PR nightmare.

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NOT defending Dennis on this.

It sounds like you are. You tried to trivialize him outing someone and chose to ignore some of his actions. How is that not defending him? Hell, your post even got an upvote from Sonja!

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However I think a few of you are getting slightly over excited on the issue.  It was frequently mentioned she was a former cheerleader at a major university.  Her name and picture would have most certainly been published repeatedly.  I was surprised she mentioned that past as it made stalking next to trivial.

Seriously? The same thing could be said of many other women in the industry, possibly even most of them. Unfortunately, they often reveal enough details about themselves that someone could track them down. It doesn't make it right for Dennis to out someone.

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All he really did was take it from trivial to brain dead in terms of potential stalkers.

No, he outed someone very publicly in a way where her followers, former clients, etc. would have very easily seen the information. Anyone who found that information on their own would have had to do significantly more work to get those details. He also went even further by tweeting the information to the Twitter account for her college. That is blatant harassment.

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That said, it was still a pretty bone headed move on Dennis's part.  There was no way it would not be a PR nightmare.

It's less of a PR nightmare because of people like you. This industry is the way it is because people tolerate this crap and give lame defenses like yours every time something like this occurs.

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Not gonna bother line item quoting.

First, I work IT Security.  I fully understand data and how it can be extended far beyond what most folks expect.  The information that was used as part of Krissy's advertising (the ex cheerleader angle) was more than sufficient for anyone to find her name and likely home state.  Combine that with a website like Pipl.com, finding her would have been trivial.  We've got multiple pages in which the majority of posters are acting as if it was a holy secret to never be known to anyone.  The reality is that it would have taken little more effort than looking her up in the phone book.

Due to a vocal minority, it has become pretty damned popular to hate Hof, and anything associated with him.  Speak a positive word in his direction, and everyone wants to claim yer licking his asshole at night.  Whatever happened to objective reasoning around here?  I have never spoken to or exchanged words with Sonja.  I can still tell she sometimes speaks as a person, and sometimes speaks as a manager for a business.  Yeah...you try constantly telling your customers you don't agree with your boss.  Let's see how long you keep your job?  Shit comes with the territory for any business.

Lastly, let's look at the situation.  Dennis is a businessman first and foremost.  Paying your bills and debts is everything.  Seeing the ladies are paid is even more important.  Now a former girlfriend is claiming she wasn't paid, and he's being attacked here, and on twitter.  An extremely public accusation that impacts his clients and any of his current or future working ladies.  It's a pretty fucking serious accusation for him.  Guess what?  It was all Krissy's mistake.  I can see why he's pretty fucking pissed.  I can see why he snapped a picture and posted it on twitter without a second though.

Doesn't make it right.  It was a stupid move on his part, and should never have happened.  I don't think he really understands how easily information is available on the web, nor how many perverts or twisted minds are out there.  He needs to get smarter about it pretty damned fast before one of his ladies gets hurt badly.  Unfortunately I don't think he will learn until it blows up in his face.

My argument?  This was private business fuck up between two parties and should have never been made public.  Or at least making damned sure you are right.  Neither party was in the right here and a lot of folks were willing to jump in and make it worse.  This was a mountain out of a molehill.  Something this board seems to specialize in unfortunately.

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First, I work IT Security.  I fully understand data and how it can be extended far beyond what most folks expect.  The information that was used as part of Krissy's advertising (the ex cheerleader angle) was more than sufficient for anyone to find her name and likely home state.  Combine that with a website like Pipl.com, finding her would have been trivial.  We've got multiple pages in which the majority of posters are acting as if it was a holy secret to never be known to anyone.  The reality is that it would have taken little more effort than looking her up in the phone book.

I work in technology too. I'm aware of how difficult it would have been for someone to find her information. However, the level of difficulty is irrelevant. What he did is wrong no matter how easy or difficult it would have been.

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Due to a vocal minority, it has become pretty damned popular to hate Hof, and anything associated with him.

I don't criticize Hof because I hate him. I do so because I see him for the lowlife scum that he is. You and others choose to ignore that and defend him. Your only argument is that we are "haters."

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Speak a positive word in his direction, and everyone wants to claim yer licking his asshole at night.  Whatever happened to objective reasoning around here?

Where is the objective reasoning in your post? I see nothing but an attempt to suck up to Hof. You are acting like what he did was trivial. It wasn't. I saw numerous tweets from women who used to work for him condemning his actions. These weren't just from women who dated him either. If they saw his actions so negatively, why do you feel the need to defend him? Do you really put defending Dennis ahead of the potential harm that could result from this situation? Does his business matter to you more than a young woman's life? That is how your statements come across.

You also ignored (again) the fact that he harassed her by tweeting the information to her college's Twitter account. This isn't just about outing her information. He also actively transmitted that information to people who may not have been aware that she was in LPIN in an attempt to do harm.

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Lastly, let's look at the situation.  Dennis is a businessman first and foremost.

No, he isn't. Businessmen don't date and sleep with those who work for them. Those things create too many potential liabilities, which would be a concern to someone who put the business first.

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Paying your bills and debts is everything.  Seeing the ladies are paid is even more important.  Now a former girlfriend is claiming she wasn't paid, and he's being attacked here, and on twitter.  An extremely public accusation that impacts his clients and any of his current or future working ladies.  It's a pretty fucking serious accusation for him.  Guess what?  It was all Krissy's mistake.  I can see why he's pretty fucking pissed.  I can see why he snapped a picture and posted it on twitter without a second though.

Krissy was not wrong. This claim has already been disputed in this thread here. Why do you continue to act like it hasn't? He has absolutely no right to be mad. I believe that what Krissy said was true from the beginning. Her retraction and apology were likely coerced in exchange for actually getting paid. That isn't the first time he has done something similar.

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Doesn't make it right.  It was a stupid move on his part, and should never have happened.  I don't think he really understands how easily information is available on the web, nor how many perverts or twisted minds are out there.  He needs to get smarter about it pretty damned fast before one of his ladies gets hurt badly.  Unfortunately I don't think he will learn until it blows up in his face.

You act as if this was a simple mistake on his part rather than an extremely unethical act. I doubt it will ever blow up in his face. He has too many defenders like you for that to happen.