Wild Horse, Bunnyranch, Sheri's, Sagebrush, Kit Kat, Mustang, Chicken, Love Ra

[DrewDrewC]

Wild Horse, Bunnyranch, Sheri's, Sagebrush, Kit Kat, Mustang, Chicken, and Love Ranch Price Discussion

I saw a few girls on here saying that it is against the law to post their prices.  It was the same thing on the old Nevada Brothels board a few years ago.

There are a few questions that I have been perplexed about.
1.  Is there such a law that states that?    
2.  Does this have anything to do the ranches and the county commission in certain counties?
3.  Why are the big ranches telling the girls not to discuss prices unless it is in their room?
4.  Why is it only the big ranches and not the small ranches saying this?
5.  Have any of you experience this, where a girl actually told you that she cannot discuss a price for a basis half and half (or any type of party session) over the phone or in an email?  

I have called a few ranches and was told that I had to take a tour and go to the girl’s room to find out a price quote for any sessions.  It seems that the big ranches such as the Wild Horse, Bunnyranch, Sheri's, Sagebrush, Kit Kat, Mustang, Chicken, and Love Ranch have this saying.  It seems that the Shady Lady Ranch, where Bobbi is the owner, does not have this issue.  

Most of the girls that I have talked to on the phone have told me they can not discuss prices.  Even in emails (including the p.m. messages) they say the same thing. There have been a few girls that have given me a price for a general party session just from emailing.  Trying to get a price quote from most of these girls is worse than having a wisdom tooth pulled without being under sedation.

[Voyeur]

I think there are two issues working here. Some owners (like Marvin) have alsways been wary of any advertising, or anything that could even remotely be construed as contrary to any laws. Other owners (like Dennis) have found that the less you know walking in the door, the better chance they have or removing more of the contents of your wallet.

As Bobbi has proven, there is no law against discussing prices, just particular house "rules".

[DrewDrewC]

Marvin Gates has been very conservative. Okay.  Where would that leave Susan Austin of both the Wild Horse and Mustang Ranch or Ken Greene the owner of the Chicken Ranch or Chuck Lee, the owner of Sheri's Ranch?

[DrewDrewC]

I think there are two issues working here. Some owners (like Marvin) have alsways been wary of any advertising, or anything that could even remotely be construed as contrary to any laws. Other owners (like Dennis) have found that the less you know walking in the door, the better chance they have or removing more of the contents of your wallet.

As Bobbi has proven, there is no law against discussing prices, just particular house "rules".

That leads to question 2 and 4.
2.  Does this have anything to do the ranches and the county commission in certain counties?
4.  Why is it only the big ranches and not the small ranches saying this?

Would Bobbi's Shady Lady Ranch and other ranches that advertise fix prices be under a different law where they can advertise?

Plus, it does not give the reason why only a few L.P.I.N. girls will give a person a price on the phone or p.m. messages; when the other girls from the same ranch saying it is against the law.

[Mikey]

Well Drew, there's a couple things at play here:

  Up until Bobbi (of the SLR) filed suit, saying it was a restraint of her freedom of speech, and won, there was a statewide law against brothels advertising. It was what most of the brothels gave that as excuse for why they couldn't quote a price without you coming into the brothel. At the time of the same brothels would have billboards and signs on taxis advertising their bar or massage parlor, so the technically weren't advertising the brothel. Since they're both at the same location the intent was to bring customers to the brothel.

   Some brothels will say they quote a price because the ladies are independent contractors and they will negotiate a price based on time and activities. The fantasy in this position is that the house still sets the minimum, and does not allow ladies to post or quote prices outside of the brothel, if they want to.  

   Now why do most brothels keep up this policy? Because it allows them on a case by case basis to maximize their profits. If a guy shows up, hot to get laid with money to burn, they are not committed to a posted price, and can charge whatever he'll pay. By the way it's not just the "big brothels" doing this, only 2 of 16 in the state have posted prices.

[shooter]

Small correction, by my count I get 23 brothels open as of this date with only 2 advertising a set  basic party minimum price

[SIDEWINDER]

Small correction, by my count I get 23 brothels open as of this date with only 2 advertising a set  basic party minimum price

Well, I think we all know the REAL  reason for that.

No if, ands, or buts about it,

Posting prices would ruin their chances of trying to make more through negotiations.

[phoenixxx]

guys it's starting to sound like you don't like us girls @ the larger ranches repsecting laws or rules or privacy about the prices as if you don't want to make the investment towards your experience with a real live girl or someting??? and that it's an insult to your walets  ... look @ it like this we are women and it's our business doing pleasure with you and you know as well as i that when a woman is happy she's pretty much willing to show you her apperacation anyway possible   

[phoenixxx]

also i heard it from the "leagal' horses mouth that this falls under the catagory of "solicitation of prostitution" respecting this law helps keep things private (no arrest or news paper/television announcements  look @ wut happened to tiger woods) as well also it's difficult to quote a price because every person and party is unique and custom to the individuals request and would'nt you rather just come into the Mustang and enjoy sum lunch or dinner or a drink of sum sort  while being able to see and touch, the girl you are interrested in??? that's wut we would perfer  

[phoenixxx]

so sidewinder if thats wut you think; then wut should us "legal" girls think about your comment on your last post?? wut's the REAL reason you are asking??

[phoenixxx]

Besides it's not like we charge you extra for your safety,privacy,comdomes,lube, toys, make-up, hair, room and board, the accomidations of the establishment,posting on the board, our hospitality, and a running around getting things together fee, or charging you like a taxi driver or anyting like that....we are horny women who are eagerly willing to treat you like kings/queens and this is the profession we chose, so please before you attack us "sidewinder" look @ allllll the ways we save you $ and the great things we wantingly do for our clients      

[Oddball]

As independent contractors, different girls are going to charge different prices.  

The question on any customer's mind is will they be worth what they are asking?

Houses that don't post prices benefit because, for example 50% (or other house split) of $1000 is more than 50% of $400.

Don't kid yourself.  The girls and houses are in this biz to make money first.  All other considerations are secondary to this.

As an independent contractor, the girls sign contracts with whatever house they will be working for.  Those contracts include the girl agreeing to the 'house rules', usually.

My issue is that girls should be able to at least ballpark any booking requests via email.  It'll save time, so the girls may end up getting more bookings that night (less time spent negotiating).  The girls can always ballpark high if they've never booked a particular customer before, and then come down on price later if they feel they can do the party for less than their ballpark.  Plus, if her ballpark is waaay higher than a particular customer is willing to pay, he can pass immediately without wasting the house's time.

As for 'solicitation of prostitution', prostitution is already legal in a good chunk of Nevada, so as Bobbi pointed out that's a non-starter.  Now if you are in another state/county that DOESN'T allow prostitution, then even mentioning prices is a no-no.  For example, we've had our local law enforcement cracking down hard on escorts, 'entrapping' them into mentioning prices for activities beforehand.  The more savvy escorts are sticking to 'time and companionship only' as best they can to avoid this entrapment.

Negotiating across state lines may or may not be allowed, and I'm sure that the house's attorneys have advised against advertising prices to avoid any potential legal headaches.  Better safe than sorry.

I'd think, though, that if you are visiting the house's website, then you are (in a weird way) on their turf (in an electronic sense) so I'd think negotiations would be ok in this regard (if you use their forum or whatever to conduct said negotiation).  A one on one negotiation isn't advertising, but I'm sure the lawyers would find reasons to NOT agree with me.

Those are my thoughts on the matter.  I still love Inez's and The Shady Lady the most though!

[Robbin Young]

This is a VERY difficult topic for me, because I was an escort and my donations were listed.  I ran 'specials' from time to time, but my clients/dates knew if they could afford to book a rendezvous with me, by simply looking at my website.  I see where a brothel client may be frustrated, by not knowing what to expect until he's on brothel property.  Unfortunately, this is how the majority of brothels operate and they must be doing something right, or they wouldn't have been in business for so long...so I'm not about to try and change any house rules, I'm just giving you my thoughts pertaining to this issue.  

When escorting, I understood that the economy was crappy and I adjusted my donations as low as possible...but, my landlord didn't lower my rent and my utility bills seemed to always be increasing...but yet, I had to be competitive to survive.  If I couldn't accommodate someone's request for a lower donation, I'd offer to extend my time with them.  This worked well for me, and allowed me to pay my bills and build repeat clientele.  Again, this is an example of indie escorting and NOT what I want to do any longer.  I didn't enjoy it...because I wanted a career in a safe, legal, well-respected, and reputable venue such as the WH.

When watching Cathouse, the 'Bunny Babes' quoted 1,5k an hour, but usually dropped to 1k or lower...so the client didn't walk.  I presume this is what's meant by negotiating, but I found it odd that this would be on a TV show allowing a prospective client to know that if he didn't agree to a quoted amount, he'd definitely get to 'party' for less.  But, then again, maybe this was more about what goes on in the world of a reality TV...and doesn't really occur.   Anyhow, IMHO, that confused me and seemed to be a waste of time for both the LPIN and the client.

I was told by a well-respected LPIN that the members of SIN talk amongst one another, regarding LPIN rates.  (BTW, which is what I'd do if I were a client, and I call it comparing notes and smart shopping.)  So, I suppose unless the brothels decide to post rates, this is a viable option for clients wondering about the rates of a LPIN, they wish to rendezvous with.

Since speaking with Susan, she has NEVER said I must ask for a certain amount from a client...she said, "You are an independent contractor" and that was ALL she's said to me.  So, I'll figure out what I need in order to financially survive, and I'll set my rates accordingly...while remaining competitive in order to attract clientele.

OK, enough serious talk...I'll leave you with this.  Last year I was approached by a famous/well-respected escort agency (who represents many well-known escorts) and I asked what my donations would be if I signed with them.  They said, "3k minimum, an hour".  I said, "You've Got To Be Kidding They Want To Use It NOT Buy It" and I didn't sign with them.

Robbin
xoxo
http://www.RobbinYoung.com   

[SIDEWINDER]

so sidewinder if thats wut you think; then wut should us "legal" girls think about your comment on your last post?? wut's the REAL reason you are asking??

Yep, that's exactly what I think. The reason brothels don't want prices posted is the fact that it would ruin the chance to negotiate for more money. Negotiations are a cash cow for the brothels.

Just some more facts to consider.

Fact #1. it's easier for brothels to blow smoke up a lady's ass and tell her posting prices is illegal and more effective then telling her, it's against brothel rules.

Fact #2. If advertising prices were against the law, hof would have been in prison for advertising the virgin auction and telling what the bidding prices were.

Fact #3. If advertising prices were illegal, police would no longer have to do prostitution bust. They could just arrest independent working girls for posting prices.

Fact #4. The two brothels who advertise prices would have already been shut down.

fact #5.  The shadylady along with the ACLU already secured a ruling that advertising is legal. That would include prices just like with any other legal buisness.

Fact #6. If men already know the price of something, it's unlikely that they'll pay extra through negotiations.

Like you? It has nothing to do with liking or not liking anyone.  The only thing it has anything to do with is the reason negotiation brothels do not want prices posted.

[phoenixxx]

goodness "sidewinder" calm down and open your mind alittle man...u expect us to open our legs    did you not read the possitive part  of my post??  i understand to a point your question but that's not why you are asking it; you are asking so you can try to dwindle down our prices before you even know wut there is to offer and that's not cool man....do you call a fine dinning resturant and ask about there prices before you show up (and remember sweetpea we are people too and have feeling's also)