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Title: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Sonja on March 17, 2018, 10:03:39 AM
Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?

These acts are misleading and unconstitutional. Under the guise of stopping sex trafficking- they will make platforms like twitter and facebook liable for anything relating to sex trafficking. Under these acts there is no distinction between sex work and sex trafficking, and social media platforms in turn will likely change community standards to ban anything sex work related.

imagine no longer being able to follow us online
imagine us unable to generate income
imagine online communities that keep us safe, gone

Having been the Poster Girl for the Linkedin Witch hunt (& now banned for life) - I know first hand the consequences of these over-the-top misdirected anti-prostitution movements.

Text RESIST to 50409 Ask the bot to write your senators- Ask them to vote NO on FOSTA (H.1865)

You can also use the vote spotter.  It tells you how your representatives voted, lets you vote on if you approve or not, helps you contact them,  as well with your opinion and input app.  It looks like this is free and you can get it in the App Store on Apple.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Dr. Who on March 17, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
There was another thread about FOSTA/SESTA a while back that some of us rang in on too.  I just hope that they don't get passed.

http://sex-in-nevada.net/smforum/index.php?topic=29849.msg356368#msg356368 (http://sex-in-nevada.net/smforum/index.php?topic=29849.msg356368#msg356368)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Q on March 17, 2018, 11:34:48 AM
Online:

https://stopsesta.org/#take-action
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: James_200 on March 17, 2018, 03:04:44 PM
Girls on twitter will stop calling themselves sex workers and start calling themselves models. They may try to change the laws but there will always be ways around it.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: GracePreston on March 22, 2018, 04:19:09 PM
Hof is actually bragging about having 400 applicants because of it.  Does he not realize that this can affect LPIN ladies as well.. particularly those on Twitter? 
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Elianna on March 22, 2018, 04:32:12 PM
I am also interesting in the far reaching consequences. If any website is now liable for what users post, we might as well live in a totally censored state.

There will never be a million Red Umbrella March on Washington. Which btw, should be March 3rd. (International Sex Worker Rights Day)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Dr. Who on March 22, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?

These acts are misleading and unconstitutional. Under the guise of stopping sex trafficking- they will make platforms like twitter and facebook liable for anything relating to sex trafficking. Under these acts there is no distinction between sex work and sex trafficking, and social media platforms in turn will likely change community standards to ban anything sex work related.

imagine no longer being able to follow us online
imagine us unable to generate income
imagine online communities that keep us safe, gone

Having been the Poster Girl for the Linkedin Witch hunt (& now banned for life) - I know first hand the consequences of these over-the-top misdirected anti-prostitution movements.

Text RESIST to 50409 Ask the bot to write your senators- Ask them to vote NO on FOSTA (H.1865)

You can also use the vote spotter.  It tells you how your representatives voted, lets you vote on if you approve or not, helps you contact them,  as well with your opinion and input app.  It looks like this is free and you can get it in the App Store on Apple.

Sonja, you'd better have a long talk with your boss about the potential consequences of FOSTA/SESTA!  It looks like he's one of the supporters of this based on what he's been tweeting.  :o
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: GracePreston on March 22, 2018, 05:34:09 PM
The largest Indy forum in the US has just removed all advertising sections in the US.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Quazar on March 22, 2018, 05:42:13 PM
The largest Indy forum in the US has just removed all advertising sections in the US.

Which one?
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Sonja on March 22, 2018, 06:16:06 PM
Sonja, you'd better have a long talk with your boss about the potential consequences of FOSTA/SESTA!  It looks like he's one of the supporters of this based on what he's been tweeting.  :o

Funny you should mention that. Just had a meeting today to talk about it. 

One reason Dennis is for it is because he has always championed the crackdown on sex traffickers.  He is also against illegal prostitution and is Pro-LEGAL prostitution. And that is a fair stance for a man who has devoted his life to legal prostitution. On those points he and I agree.

The worries I have center on social platforms that will not differentiate between the two.  Most lawmakers don't even think about the fact that there is this ONE state where prostitution is legal. When LinkedIn made me the poster girl for their "sex worker purge" - I was advertised on there as a "legal, licensed courtesan".  They didn't care.  I'm still banned for life.

It looks like this is going to pass anyway so I guess the next battle front will be (once again) defending and protecting legal prostitution.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: GracePreston on March 22, 2018, 06:22:46 PM
Coming from a former Indy...

So he's got 400 applications in 24 hours.  Great.  That means about 360 ladies who are not going to have a safe way to earn income, at all.  He is cheerleading women who are being thrust into a bad situation... because as great as LPIN is... it isn't large enough to cover the need of those who may want to attempt legal work.  Hell, it was sometimes a struggle to find a place BEFORE all this blew up!!

I'm sorry-- even though I've flipped over to LPIN, I don't support something that puts my Indy sisters at an even higher risk-- and by losing safe advertising venues and screening websites.. that is EXACTLY what will happen. Plus, it will make those who traffic-- HARDER to find.   



Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: sportsguy on March 22, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
The largest Indy forum in the US has just removed all advertising sections in the US.

Which one?

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Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: MrTShirt on March 22, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
Sonja, you'd better have a long talk with your boss about the potential consequences of FOSTA/SESTA!  It looks like he's one of the supporters of this based on what he's been tweeting.  :o

Funny you should mention that. Just had a meeting today to talk about it. 

One reason Dennis is for it is because he has always championed the crackdown on sex traffickers.  He is also against illegal prostitution and is Pro-LEGAL prostitution. And that is a fair stance for a man who has devoted his life to legal prostitution. On those points he and I agree.

The worries I have center on social platforms that will not differentiate between the two.  Most lawmakers don't even think about the fact that there is this ONE state where prostitution is legal. When LinkedIn made me the poster girl for their "sex worker purge" - I was advertised on there as a "legal, licensed courtesan".  They didn't care.  I'm still banned for life.

It looks like this is going to pass anyway so I guess the next battle front will be (once again) defending and protecting legal prostitution.

I suspect you and Alice Little will be joining forces in the political arena to help people understand the difference between legal and illegal.

Maybe a class action suit?

If LinkedIn took that position toward minorities...("...I don't care if it is legal...")
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: PerpetualStudent on March 22, 2018, 08:08:32 PM
So that's why craigslist killed their personal ads...
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Sonja on March 22, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
Sonja, you'd better have a long talk with your boss about the potential consequences of FOSTA/SESTA!  It looks like he's one of the supporters of this based on what he's been tweeting.  :o

Funny you should mention that. Just had a meeting today to talk about it. 

One reason Dennis is for it is because he has always championed the crackdown on sex traffickers.  He is also against illegal prostitution and is Pro-LEGAL prostitution. And that is a fair stance for a man who has devoted his life to legal prostitution. On those points he and I agree.

The worries I have center on social platforms that will not differentiate between the two.  Most lawmakers don't even think about the fact that there is this ONE state where prostitution is legal. When LinkedIn made me the poster girl for their "sex worker purge" - I was advertised on there as a "legal, licensed courtesan".  They didn't care.  I'm still banned for life.

It looks like this is going to pass anyway so I guess the next battle front will be (once again) defending and protecting legal prostitution.

I suspect you and Alice Little will be joining forces in the political arena to help people understand the difference between legal and illegal.

Maybe a class action suit?

If LinkedIn took that position toward minorities...("...I don't care if it is legal...")

I really love your attitude.   

Yes - what I feared would happen is happening.  The Craigslist thing.  It hurts Swingers and other "amateurs" in the sexual arena as collateral damage.  I only found out today what solid bi-partisan support it had & that there was no hope it wouldn't pass.  But here it is. Now comes the time to defend what's left.

Legal prostitution.  Gotta get a way to make it clear and announce it still exists.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: GracePreston on March 22, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
There is a provision in the new law that is a concern.. it seems that promoting prostitution is going to now be a federal crime.  There is no differentiating in the law in regards to legal vs. illegal the way it is written.

Which.. puts LPIN in the same boat as legal weed in some states.  How far are the feds going to intrude on states rights when it comes to the promotion of legal prostitution?
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: hikingguy2013 on March 24, 2018, 05:16:54 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/controversial-anti-sex-trafficking-bill-screw-over-sex-workers-w518323
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Lulz on March 24, 2018, 09:11:50 AM
There's no such thing of "sex trafficking".  All girls in LPIN are there by choice.
Maybe the sex police should go get fucking laid for once LOL.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: AliceLittle on March 24, 2018, 09:29:25 AM
Sex work: a broad term that doesn't differentiate between legal and illigal, but generally is regarded as conse tual.

Sex trafficking: non-consensual and illegal- should not be considered sex work

Independent or illegal work: while illegal, most independent workers are consensual and not trafficked. However the exact facts and figures aren't established due to a lack of legality. This group could be considered at risk for being trafficked.

Legal sex work/LPIN/brothel work: the only form of legal full service sex work in the United States. 100% of the women working within LPIN are there consentually, and have not been trafficked. The exact figures vary yearly, but it is safe to estimate over 1000+ women each year undergo the licensing process across the varying counties and brothels.

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Keep in mind that most folks outside of the LPIN community aren't aware of the differences between those terms. Whenever you find yourself engaging on this topic outside of LPIN, it may be worthwhile to clarify what each phrase means in terms of legality, consent, and trafficking.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: oldskiis on March 24, 2018, 09:51:03 AM
      Most of us know the difference between consensual and trafficking but then most of us have a vastly different opinion on the morality of sex and the laws of morality and the Federal government creating any laws for morality. But the general public does not understand, and they buy the Populist political Bull Shit. 
     I recently heard from a state legislature that had been in contact with the Federal Attorneys , they wanted my state to have new and better laws to fight trafficking, and claimed that 90% of the women in prostitution were being trafficked, a rather broad and very misleading statement, but the legislator bought it without question.  Surely this DOJ would not lie to us, but they do and they did. 
     Why is it that we now demonize pain killing medication, we now demonize consensual sex, our government generates lots of false and misleading statements, but it was really creepy to me that the Federal Government was lobbying a state legislature to create legislation.  I must not have ever read that part of the Constitution that say the Federal Government should be in charge of our sex lives. 
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Sonja on March 24, 2018, 10:02:28 AM
      I must not have ever read that part of the Constitution that say the Federal Government should be in charge of our sex lives.

(https://i.imgur.com/g434REQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: MrTShirt on March 24, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Sex work: a broad term that doesn't differentiate between legal and illigal, but generally is regarded as conse tual.

Sex trafficking: non-consensual and illegal- should not be considered sex work

Independent or illegal work: while illegal, most independent workers are consensual and not trafficked. However the exact facts and figures aren't established due to a lack of legality. This group could be considered at risk for being trafficked.

Legal sex work/LPIN/brothel work: the only form of legal full service sex work in the United States. 100% of the women working within LPIN are there consentually, and have not been trafficked. The exact figures vary yearly, but it is safe to estimate over 1000+ women each year undergo the licensing process across the varying counties and brothels.

-----
Keep in mind that most folks outside of the LPIN community aren't aware of the differences between those terms. Whenever you find yourself engaging on this topic outside of LPIN, it may be worthwhile to clarify what each phrase means in terms of legality, consent, and trafficking.

Explaining it here helps clarify the issue.

However, the understanding needs to happen outside the LPIN community.

Alice Little for NV US Senator
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: AliceLittle on March 25, 2018, 12:48:43 PM
Sex work: a broad term that doesn't differentiate between legal and illigal, but generally is regarded as conse tual.

Sex trafficking: non-consensual and illegal- should not be considered sex work

Independent or illegal work: while illegal, most independent workers are consensual and not trafficked. However the exact facts and figures aren't established due to a lack of legality. This group could be considered at risk for being trafficked.

Legal sex work/LPIN/brothel work: the only form of legal full service sex work in the United States. 100% of the women working within LPIN are there consentually, and have not been trafficked. The exact figures vary yearly, but it is safe to estimate over 1000+ women each year undergo the licensing process across the varying counties and brothels.

-----
Keep in mind that most folks outside of the LPIN community aren't aware of the differences between those terms. Whenever you find yourself engaging on this topic outside of LPIN, it may be worthwhile to clarify what each phrase means in terms of legality, consent, and trafficking.

Explaining it here helps clarify the issue.

However, the understanding needs to happen outside the LPIN community.

Alice Little for NV US Senator

Don't tempt me :p. Honestly though, I'm mostly likely to go into the non-profit activism sector if I decide to peruse politics in the future. It isn't on as grand of a scale as the senate, but as an individual I feel like I'd be significantly more impactful on a smaller, local level specifically working towards one goal at a time.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Sonja on March 25, 2018, 12:55:39 PM

Don't tempt me :p. Honestly though, I'm mostly likely to go into the non-profit activism sector if I decide to peruse politics in the future. It isn't on as grand of a scale as the senate, but as an individual I feel like I'd be significantly more impactful on a smaller, local level specifically working towards one goal at a time.

Big respect to you Alice!  Keep going after it.  You will make this world a better place.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: MrTShirt on March 26, 2018, 09:36:28 PM
Don't tempt me :p. Honestly though, I'm mostly likely to go into the non-profit activism sector if I decide to peruse politics in the future. It isn't on as grand of a scale as the senate, but as an individual I feel like I'd be significantly more impactful on a smaller, local level specifically working towards one goal at a time.

I agree that you would make more of an impact via the activist route at this time.

It is interesting that the country forgets about the social needs of the sick and nursing home bound.  Here is an interesting article about two nurses (and three more) that were accused of ...:
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/nurses-accused-of-sexual-relationships-with-patients-missing-from-fayette-county-facility-20180307

Why couldn't outdates include the bed ridden?  Don't those folks have rights too?  Good questions for the politicians.
(Not enough money going into the pockets of the politicians?)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: AliceLittle on March 27, 2018, 10:02:56 AM
Morning SESTA/FOSTA impact report: Microsoft banned nudity, swearing.

What this means for you:

-Skype is no longer a viable platform for sex workers
-Private citizens wanting to video-sex long distance no longer can use skype
-No more cursing while playing video games (welp, thats it guys, im banned :P)
-Private porn content stored on google drive can and will be locked and deleted
-Private files on google drive are now subject to search
-Emails that link to adult websites can be blocked/filtered from your g-mail

What you should do:
-Remove all content from google drive, switch to a secure out of country provider
-Consider getting a protonmail email address (Swiss based, will not block or censor your emails)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: hikingguy2013 on March 27, 2018, 11:10:12 AM
Morning SESTA/FOSTA impact report: Microsoft banned nudity, swearing.

What this means for you:

-Skype is no longer a viable platform for sex workers
-Private citizens wanting to video-sex long distance no longer can use skype
-No more cursing while playing video games (welp, thats it guys, im banned :P)
-Private porn content stored on google drive can and will be locked and deleted
-Private files on google drive are now subject to search
-Emails that link to adult websites can be blocked/filtered from your g-mail

What you should do:
-Remove all content from google drive, switch to a secure out of country provider
-Consider getting a protonmail email address (Swiss based, will not block or censor your emails)

And this stops sex trafficking how?  ::)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Sonja on March 27, 2018, 06:34:02 PM
Don't tempt me :p. Honestly though, I'm mostly likely to go into the non-profit activism sector if I decide to peruse politics in the future. It isn't on as grand of a scale as the senate, but as an individual I feel like I'd be significantly more impactful on a smaller, local level specifically working towards one goal at a time.

I agree that you would make more of an impact via the activist route at this time.

It is interesting that the country forgets about the social needs of the sick and nursing home bound.  Here is an interesting article about two nurses (and three more) that were accused of ...:
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/public-safety/nurses-accused-of-sexual-relationships-with-patients-missing-from-fayette-county-facility-20180307

Why couldn't outdates include the bed ridden?  Don't those folks have rights too?  Good questions for the politicians.
(Not enough money going into the pockets of the politicians?)

A bit off topic - but I have to absolutely agree with you. And to answer your question - currently those people DO NOT have rights to be fully sexual.  Most people don't realize that when you end up in a nursing home you lose your right to be a sexual adult.  There's so much wrong with how we treat our elders and so many things that should be done to correct this.  I feel very passionate about this but I'll stop before I end up in a tangent.  (and thank you for the link!)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: dbldblu51 on March 28, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
There is another site that has shut itself down.  There are citing SESTA.  I think Inez and Monas advertised there.  It was mostly popular with indies.  I started a thread about this but it seems to be deleted, maybe because I mentioned the name. 
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Dr. Who on March 28, 2018, 11:59:10 AM
Considering that SESTA makes web hosts accountable for what their customer do on the internet, even SIN has to be careful on what content is being posted, especially anything that's deemed illegal.  If Q's web host panics and decides to shutdown accounts dealing with the sex industry, even if LPIN is legal, this site could be vulnerable too.  8)
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: mobeerlswhine on March 28, 2018, 02:10:25 PM
Seriously, if vicarious liability gains traction you will see more shut downs. It is not a stretch to imagine this having a chilling effect on cam'ing, all fetish activity, even general porn.

Who knows, maybe even hotels that have hosted (with or without their knowledge) prostitution transactions will be held liable.

I really don't see why Hof is championing it. He used to call himself a libertarian.
Title: Re: Have you heard of FOSTA and SESTA?
Post by: Tobie on March 29, 2018, 03:20:09 AM
Instead of this crap, how about going out and rounding up the little girls on street corners?  It took Lisa Ling about 5 minutes to find them when she did her documentary.  This all came about because some affluent kids got lured into it, and their parents wouldn't shut up until there was a law.  Most of the little girls on the corner are not white and/or are poor kids, runaways from the foster care system.  Notice how no one is out there trying to save them.  Even the black politicians.  Let's just shut down the internet.