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Discussions => LPIN Specific Discussion => Topic started by: RihannaLovely on December 06, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
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On this board, I so often see a focus on spending the least amount of money possible. While this may be a natural response when buying a product, I believe you are often missing a very important thing: You get what you pay for.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
Assuming you negotiate a girl's minimum party, you are likely to experience that girl's minimum amount of time, attention, and affection. If you go beyond the minimum price range, the girl should (and likely will) go beyond your expectations as well.
I am not referring to pricing between girl to girl. Yes, sometimes girl B will give a better party than girl A for less money. What I am referring to is the fact that, even in this case, girl B does not give the same party to you that she will give to somebody who paid more or somebody who paid less!
All parties are different. Stop focusing on spending as little as you can and start focusing on having a good time. You'll thank me for it later.
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You may be right, but it's tough to compare what a lady would do for 10X vs. 1X unless you have experienced both with the same lady. It is much tougher to get a lady to drop down to 1X after partying with her for 10X, hence it is probably better to start at 1X and if the 1X party is MUCH better than the average 1X party (or average 10X party for that matter), then one would be more inclined to spend 10X.
Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, many ladies' 10X party pale in comparison to the 1X party of other ladies, so how can a lady convince guys to part with 10X right off the bat? If the guy started with 10X parties and only parties at the 10X level, yes the only comparison is within the 10X range, but most active members on this board would probably be more willing to benchmark a lady's performance at the 1X range, and if suitable, then possibly increase their prices for more activities (like a longer party or an outdate - been there, done that)
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Rihanna Lovely
LOL as your topic will likely start some FIREEWORKS and many replies. PRICES? Should one pay a lady a certain amount for a certain party? Some clients may want to pay the lowest prices possible, while there could be ladies who want to be paid the highest prices possible. THE NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION WILL ALWAYS BE ABOUT PRICES!
Have a question about your quote, "No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10X amount". Could it be possible a lady could give the same party or even a better party for 1X than 10X? For example, let's say "PARTY TERRIFIC" is a finite time length with quite a few activities. One day a very wealthy client may walk into the brothel and offered a lady 10X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The lady accepts the offer from the wealthy client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The next day a cool client may walk into the same brothel and offered the same lady 1X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what may happened? The lady accepts the offer from the cool client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what also may happened? The cool client enjoyed the party better than the wealthy client, and the lady enjoyed the party better with the cool client than the wealthy client. PAYING MUCH MORE DOES NOT NECESSARY MEAN A BETTER PARTY!
True all parties are totally different. Just like a lady may connect better with one client versus a different client. RihannaLovely agree LPIN is meant to be FUN!
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On this board, I so often see a focus on spending the least amount of money possible. While this may be a natural response when buying a product, I believe you are often missing a very important thing: You get what you pay for.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
Assuming you negotiate a girl's minimum party, you are likely to experience that girl's minimum amount of time, attention, and affection. If you go beyond the minimum price range, the girl should (and likely will) go beyond your expectations as well.
I am not referring to pricing between girl to girl. Yes, sometimes girl B will give a better party than girl A for less money. What I am referring to is the fact that, even in this case, girl B does not give the same party to you that she will give to somebody who paid more or somebody who paid less!
All parties are different. Stop focusing on spending as little as you can and start focusing on having a good time. You'll thank me for it later.
Easy for you to say, It's not you spending the money.
Or come to think of it, me either anymore.
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You may be right, but it's tough to compare what a lady would do for 10X vs. 1X unless you have experienced both with the same lady. It is much tougher to get a lady to drop down to 1X after partying with her for 10X, hence it is probably better to start at 1X and if the 1X party is MUCH better than the average 1X party (or average 10X party for that matter), then one would be more inclined to spend 10X.
Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, many ladies' 10X party pale in comparison to the 1X party of other ladies, so how can a lady convince guys to part with 10X right off the bat? If the guy started with 10X parties and only parties at the 10X level, yes the only comparison is within the 10X range, but most active members on this board would probably be more willing to benchmark a lady's performance at the 1X range, and if suitable, then possibly increase their prices for more activities (like a longer party or an outdate - been there, done that)
This is a perfectly fine, good point. This is, actually, how most 10x parties happen. During my time in LPIN, my biggest party started with a small party to get to know me first. . .and then progressed as you described. To overnights and outdates.
It's fine to start with a 1X party to feel things out. It's even ok to only do 1x parties. But don't pay 1x and expect the same thing as someone who is paying 10x!
Rihanna Lovely
LOL as your topic will likely start some FIREEWORKS and many replies. PRICES? Should one pay a lady a certain amount for a certain party? Some clients may want to pay the lowest prices possible, while there could be ladies who want to be paid the highest prices possible. THE NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION WILL ALWAYS BE ABOUT PRICES!
Have a question about your quote, "No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10X amount". Could it be possible a lady could give the same party or even a better party for 1X than 10X? For example, let's say "PARTY TERRIFIC" is a finite time length with quite a few activities. One day a very wealthy client may walk into the brothel and offered a lady 10X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The lady accepts the offer from the wealthy client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The next day a cool client may walk into the same brothel and offered the same lady 1X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what may happened? The lady accepts the offer from the cool client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what also may happened? The cool client enjoyed the party better than the wealthy client, and the lady enjoyed the party better with the cool client than the wealthy client. PAYING MUCH MORE DOES NOT NECESSARY MEAN A BETTER PARTY!
True all parties are totally different. Just like a lady may connect better with one client versus a different client. RihannaLovely agree LPIN is meant to be FUN!
From my experience, I disagree. I've done parties ranging from 1x-100x and, believe me, the people paying 1x-5x did NOT get the same thing that the guy who paid 100x got. Paying much more does not necessarily mean a better party between girl to girl. In other words, some girls give better parties than others. But I am only referencing ladies individually, rather than comparing them. If you give a girl twice her minimum price, you will NOT get the same thing that someone who gave her the minimum price got.
Easy for you to say, It's not you spending the money.
Or come to think of it, me either anymore.
You've misunderstood, which is why I made this post. You should change your mindset.
If you only have 1x to spend, then only spend 1x! That is perfectly ok.
What is NOT ok is to spend only 1x and expect a 10x party!
If you want a 10x party then pay 10x!
If you can settle for a 1x party, and that makes you happy, and thats all you can afford. . .do it! Go have fun!
I agree with COH on This One .. I Have paid More then Usual and Gotten Crappy Parties so Please do Not B.S. Me . Just because You paid a Lot does not Mean You are getting a Lot more in the Party :o. Thank You for Letting Every Guy Here Know How You feel about The Pricing .
Again, I was not referencing a girl-to-girl comparison. Your mileage when comparing different girls will vary.
What is constant is the fact that an individual girl does not give the same party for two people who paid vastly different amounts.
Do me a favor. Try this. Go to a brothel. Negotiate a party with a girl you like and agree on a price and activities. Then double the price and say, "What do I get if I give you this instead?" Review her response. You might be surprised at her offer. . .and if you don't like it, just settle for the originally agreed upon party.
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I attempt (careful word choice) to pay as little as possible for the first party with a new girl. It is merely a "tryout" if you will. I want to limit my risk if it turns out she will be lousy and so I don't mind just a quickie at first. I am inclined to pay more on subsequent parties if I know going in that it will be fun for me.
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OK then, here is my 2 cents worth (and may I note that I am only speaking for me/myself and how I do things):
I honestly give my all and very best REGARDLESS of what a client pays! If a client pays more, then that just means they get to spend more time with me, more time allows for more activities, etc. but I am going to make it as fun/enjoyable as I possibly can! Call me crazy, but I really happen to enjoy what I do so I can't help but be me and have fun no matter what. I do truely believe in good customer service and treat others as you would want them to treat you!
I would much rather have great, regular clients than count on the rare "whale" that may or may not swim my way! And just because one client may pay more than another client doesn't mean that they are going to be any more fun or enjoyable to spend time with.
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I attempt (careful word choice) to pay as little as possible for the first party with a new girl. It is merely a "tryout" if you will. I want to limit my risk if it turns out she will be lousy and so I don't mind just a quickie at first. I am inclined to pay more on subsequent parties if I know going in that it will be fun for me.
There's no problem with this logic at all!
OK then, here is my 2 cents worth (and may I note that I am only speaking for me/myself and how I do things):
I honestly give my all and very best REGARDLESS of what a client pays! If a client pays more, then that just means they get to spend more time with me, more time allows for more activities, etc. but I am going to make it as fun/enjoyable as I possibly can!
In other words, someone who spends more gets MORE of something. ;)
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And just because one client may pay more than another client doesn't mean that they are going to be any more fun or enjoyable to spend time with.
This statement proves my point exactly
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Omg what is going in a 100X party? I don't need a week long party...
Really... I'm a simple guy. Give me 45 minutes to an hour... A BJ... Some sex... Maybe another BJ... More sex... Make me bust a nut. That's a top notch party in my book. Throw in a few kisses and you'll be getting some repeats.
I just dont need a 6 hour party with champagne, bells or whistles to have a good time.
But then, isn't that the beauty of it? There's something for everyone. Some enjoy the 1X party just fine. While others can have the lavish 100X party if that's what makes them happy.
It's all a matter of opinion. some may think my ideal party is dull and boring. While others will agree its a great party.
It's not so much "you get what you pay for". I think it's more accurate to say "you pay for what you want to get".
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You may be right, but it's tough to compare what a lady would do for 10X vs. 1X unless you have experienced both with the same lady. It is much tougher to get a lady to drop down to 1X after partying with her for 10X, hence it is probably better to start at 1X and if the 1X party is MUCH better than the average 1X party (or average 10X party for that matter), then one would be more inclined to spend 10X.
Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, many ladies' 10X party pale in comparison to the 1X party of other ladies, so how can a lady convince guys to part with 10X right off the bat? If the guy started with 10X parties and only parties at the 10X level, yes the only comparison is within the 10X range, but most active members on this board would probably be more willing to benchmark a lady's performance at the 1X range, and if suitable, then possibly increase their prices for more activities (like a longer party or an outdate - been there, done that)
This is a perfectly fine, good point. This is, actually, how most 10x parties happen. During my time in LPIN, my biggest party started with a small party to get to know me first. . .and then progressed as you described. To overnights and outdates.
It's fine to start with a 1X party to feel things out. It's even ok to only do 1x parties. But don't pay 1x and expect the same thing as someone who is paying 10x!
Rihanna Lovely
LOL as your topic will likely start some FIREEWORKS and many replies. PRICES? Should one pay a lady a certain amount for a certain party? Some clients may want to pay the lowest prices possible, while there could be ladies who want to be paid the highest prices possible. THE NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION WILL ALWAYS BE ABOUT PRICES!
Have a question about your quote, "No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10X amount". Could it be possible a lady could give the same party or even a better party for 1X than 10X? For example, let's say "PARTY TERRIFIC" is a finite time length with quite a few activities. One day a very wealthy client may walk into the brothel and offered a lady 10X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The lady accepts the offer from the wealthy client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The next day a cool client may walk into the same brothel and offered the same lady 1X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what may happened? The lady accepts the offer from the cool client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what also may happened? The cool client enjoyed the party better than the wealthy client, and the lady enjoyed the party better with the cool client than the wealthy client. PAYING MUCH MORE DOES NOT NECESSARY MEAN A BETTER PARTY!
True all parties are totally different. Just like a lady may connect better with one client versus a different client. RihannaLovely agree LPIN is meant to be FUN!
From my experience, I disagree. I've done parties ranging from 1x-100x and, believe me, the people paying 1x-5x did NOT get the same thing that the guy who paid 100x got. Paying much more does not necessarily mean a better party between girl to girl. In other words, some girls give better parties than others. But I am only referencing ladies individually, rather than comparing them. If you give a girl twice her minimum price, you will NOT get the same thing that someone who gave her the minimum price got.
Easy for you to say, It's not you spending the money.
Or come to think of it, me either anymore.
You've misunderstood, which is why I made this post. You should change your mindset.
If you only have 1x to spend, then only spend 1x! That is perfectly ok.
What is NOT ok is to spend only 1x and expect a 10x party!
If you want a 10x party then pay 10x!
If you can settle for a 1x party, and that makes you happy, and thats all you can afford. . .do it! Go have fun!
I agree with COH on This One .. I Have paid More then Usual and Gotten Crappy Parties so Please do Not B.S. Me . Just because You paid a Lot does not Mean You are getting a Lot more in the Party :o. Thank You for Letting Every Guy Here Know How You feel about The Pricing .
Again, I was not referencing a girl-to-girl comparison. Your mileage when comparing different girls will vary.
What is constant is the fact that an individual girl does not give the same party for two people who paid vastly different amounts.
Do me a favor. Try this. Go to a brothel. Negotiate a party with a girl you like and agree on a price and activities. Then double the price and say, "What do I get if I give you this instead?" Review her response. You might be surprised at her offer. . .and if you don't like it, just settle for the originally agreed upon party.
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For what I would pay you for one hour, I could have a 5 day vacation in Vegas and have a great time.
Or buy a new computer or big screen TV that would give me several years of enjoyment.
I know, I know, it's not the same thing but for many who's incomes are either fixed or else not growing as fast as inflation, that is the way they have to look at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucubLr3ZLbw
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On this board, I so often see a focus on spending the least amount of money possible. While this may be a natural response when buying a product, I believe you are often missing a very important thing: You get what you pay for.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
Assuming you negotiate a girl's minimum party, you are likely to experience that girl's minimum amount of time, attention, and affection. If you go beyond the minimum price range, the girl should (and likely will) go beyond your expectations as well.
I am not referring to pricing between girl to girl. Yes, sometimes girl B will give a better party than girl A for less money. What I am referring to is the fact that, even in this case, girl B does not give the same party to you that she will give to somebody who paid more or somebody who paid less!
All parties are different. Stop focusing on spending as little as you can and start focusing on having a good time. You'll thank me for it later.
Since you're talking prices and it's something you're very passionate about, what exact dollar figure (not range) can an average Joe expect to spend on you for an hour GFE? It doesn't matter to me if it seems too high or too low, I'm only asking for the specific amount since prices can be listed.
Thank you.
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LOL at doubling my offer after agreeing on a party.
My guess is she would say "put that back in your pocket and come see me again tomorrow" lol.
Overall, a pretty good new thread on an old topic.
In my experience though, I can find absolutely NO correlation between price paid and quality of party. I have some theories on why it's almost the opposite.
Leash
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Rihanna Lovely
LOL as your topic will likely start some FIREEWORKS and many replies. PRICES? Should one pay a lady a certain amount for a certain party? Some clients may want to pay the lowest prices possible, while there could be ladies who want to be paid the highest prices possible. THE NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION WILL ALWAYS BE ABOUT PRICES!
Have a question about your quote, "No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10X amount". Could it be possible a lady could give the same party or even a better party for 1X than 10X? For example, let's say "PARTY TERRIFIC" is a finite time length with quite a few activities. One day a very wealthy client may walk into the brothel and offered a lady 10X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The lady accepts the offer from the wealthy client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The next day a cool client may walk into the same brothel and offered the same lady 1X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what may happened? The lady accepts the offer from the cool client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what also may happened? The cool client enjoyed the party better than the wealthy client, and the lady enjoyed the party better with the cool client than the wealthy client. PAYING MUCH MORE DOES NOT NECESSARY MEAN A BETTER PARTY!
True all parties are totally different. Just like a lady may connect better with one client versus a different client. RihannaLovely agree LPIN is meant to be FUN!
From my experience, I disagree. I've done parties ranging from 1x-100x and, believe me, the people paying 1x-5x did NOT get the same thing that the guy who paid 100x got. Paying much more does not necessarily mean a better party between girl to girl. In other words, some girls give better parties than others. But I am only referencing ladies individually, rather than comparing them. If you give a girl twice her minimum price, you will NOT get the same thing that someone who gave her the minimum price got.
RhianaLovely
BOOM! The Show has started!
OK a lady as an INDIVIDUAL. Prices will vary from client to client. Time allowed is a big factor on price. Sure much more time allowed usually a higher price. Here's an example of a simple comparison of two parties with an "INDIVIDUAL LADY" that's basically not really comparing the time allowed for a party. Your quote, "If you give a girl twice her minimum price, you will NOT get the same thing that someone who gave her the minimum price". My guess is your referring to pay more than one can expect more like activities negotiated for a party. However, less price could get oneself more for a party. Here's one example. On this site there's some information about a party with an "INDIVIDUAL LADY" and a client that includes time allowed, activities, and price paid. Well RhianaLovely what would you say if this "INDIVIDUAL LADY" saw a different client where the party was quite similar for time allowed and the different client had at least the activities mentioned, but the PRICE PAID WAS SO MUCH LESS?
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Omg what is going in a 100X party? I don't need a week long party...
Really... I'm a simple guy. Give me 45 minutes to an hour... A BJ... Some sex... Maybe another BJ... More sex... Make me bust a nut. That's a top notch party in my book. Throw in a few kisses and you'll be getting some repeats.
I just dont need a 6 hour party with champagne, bells or whistles to have a good time.
But then, isn't that the beauty of it? There's something for everyone. Some enjoy the 1X party just fine. While others can have the lavish 100X party if that's what makes them happy.
It's all a matter of opinion. some may think my ideal party is dull and boring. While others will agree its a great party.
It's not so much "you get what you pay for". I think it's more accurate to say "you pay for what you want to get".
Good post. This is exactly right. If you don't need a 6 hour party with bells and whistles, then don't have one. I'm sure you can get the party you're looking for at a reasonable price. The problem arises when people WANT bells and whistles but don't want to pay for them! :P
You may be right, but it's tough to compare what a lady would do for 10X vs. 1X unless you have experienced both with the same lady. It is much tougher to get a lady to drop down to 1X after partying with her for 10X, hence it is probably better to start at 1X and if the 1X party is MUCH better than the average 1X party (or average 10X party for that matter), then one would be more inclined to spend 10X.
Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, many ladies' 10X party pale in comparison to the 1X party of other ladies, so how can a lady convince guys to part with 10X right off the bat? If the guy started with 10X parties and only parties at the 10X level, yes the only comparison is within the 10X range, but most active members on this board would probably be more willing to benchmark a lady's performance at the 1X range, and if suitable, then possibly increase their prices for more activities (like a longer party or an outdate - been there, done that)
This is a perfectly fine, good point. This is, actually, how most 10x parties happen. During my time in LPIN, my biggest party started with a small party to get to know me first. . .and then progressed as you described. To overnights and outdates.
It's fine to start with a 1X party to feel things out. It's even ok to only do 1x parties. But don't pay 1x and expect the same thing as someone who is paying 10x!
Rihanna Lovely
LOL as your topic will likely start some FIREEWORKS and many replies. PRICES? Should one pay a lady a certain amount for a certain party? Some clients may want to pay the lowest prices possible, while there could be ladies who want to be paid the highest prices possible. THE NEVER ENDING DISCUSSION WILL ALWAYS BE ABOUT PRICES!
Have a question about your quote, "No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10X amount". Could it be possible a lady could give the same party or even a better party for 1X than 10X? For example, let's say "PARTY TERRIFIC" is a finite time length with quite a few activities. One day a very wealthy client may walk into the brothel and offered a lady 10X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The lady accepts the offer from the wealthy client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". The next day a cool client may walk into the same brothel and offered the same lady 1X for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what may happened? The lady accepts the offer from the cool client for "PARTY TERRIFIC". Guess what also may happened? The cool client enjoyed the party better than the wealthy client, and the lady enjoyed the party better with the cool client than the wealthy client. PAYING MUCH MORE DOES NOT NECESSARY MEAN A BETTER PARTY!
True all parties are totally different. Just like a lady may connect better with one client versus a different client. RihannaLovely agree LPIN is meant to be FUN!
From my experience, I disagree. I've done parties ranging from 1x-100x and, believe me, the people paying 1x-5x did NOT get the same thing that the guy who paid 100x got. Paying much more does not necessarily mean a better party between girl to girl. In other words, some girls give better parties than others. But I am only referencing ladies individually, rather than comparing them. If you give a girl twice her minimum price, you will NOT get the same thing that someone who gave her the minimum price got.
Or
For what I would pay you for one hour, I could have a 5 day vacation in Vegas and have a great time.
Or buy a new computer or big screen TV that would give me several years of enjoyment.
I know, I know, it's not the same thing but for many who's incomes are either fixed or else not growing as fast as inflation, that is the way they have to look at it.
Do one of those things then. Whose stopping you? Whose complaining? If you don't value a lady's time, don't visit her. There are so very many who DO value what we do more than the items you listed.
Since you're talking prices and it's something you're very passionate about, what exact dollar figure (not range) can an average Joe expect to spend on you for an hour GFE? It doesn't matter to me if it seems too high or too low, I'm only asking for the specific amount since prices can be listed.
Thank you.
No, prices can't be listed. Come see me when I'm back in NV and we'll talk prices! :-*
LOL at doubling my offer after agreeing on a party.
My guess is she would say "put that back in your pocket and come see me again tomorrow" lol.
Leash
Bullshit.
RhianaLovely
BOOM! The Show has started!
OK a lady as an INDIVIDUAL. Prices will vary from client to client. Time allowed is a big factor on price. Sure much more time allowed usually a higher price. Here's an example of a simple comparison of two parties with an "INDIVIDUAL LADY" that's basically not really comparing the time allowed for a party. Your quote, "If you give a girl twice her minimum price, you will NOT get the same thing that someone who gave her the minimum price". My guess is your referring to pay more than one can expect more like activities negotiated for a party. However, less price could get oneself more for a party. Here's one example. On this site there's some information about a party with an "INDIVIDUAL LADY" and a client that includes time allowed, activities, and price paid. Well RhianaLovely what would you say if this "INDIVIDUAL LADY" saw a different client where the party was quite similar for time allowed and the different client had at least the activities mentioned, but the PRICE PAID WAS SO MUCH LESS?
1. First and foremost, I would not believe the prices anyone claims they paid, since people lie about the prices they paid more often than they tell the truth. ::)
2. Second of all, assuming this was true, (And to be clear, I would be extremely hesitant to believe any pricing info was true) there are many non-tangible and non-visible factors involved.
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Do one of those thing then, who's stopping you? if you don't value a lady's time don't visit her?
Damn, that's good advice. Wish someone would have told me sooner.
OOP's, they already did. I told myself when I quit going to the brothels about 8 years ago.
BTW: I'm not saying that nobody should go. I've just found better ways to enjoy my meager income.
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No, prices can't be listed. Come see me when I'm back in NV and we'll talk prices! :-*
With all due respect, prices can be listed, see the links below. Besides, I live on the east coast and making a big trip from one end of the country to another is a lot of time spent on planning then making a trip to see you ladies. If there was to be any kind of disparity between your expectations and mine over what I would be interested in (1 hour GFE) by the time I arrived without knowledge of your rate, then I would be deeply disappointed after spending all that time planning then making the trip fully anticipating play time with you ladies.
http://sex-in-nevada.net/smforum/index.php?topic=18149.0
http://inezsdd.com/rates-services/
I appreciate any actual figures you can provide me with.
Warmest regards.
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I cannot post pricing information. ;D
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I believe that success in life can be measured by the attitude that Abby Dixieland has toward work, and how she conducts her life. I would love to spend time with her, as we think alike.
HC
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RihannaLovely
Possibly, certain prices paid listed here may not be accurate. Some prices paid listed here may be accurate. Whereas, my guess is the example of one "INDIVIDUAL LADY" mentioned about a price paid for a party could be accurate. Is it possible for "INDIVIDUAL LADY" saw a different client where the party was quite similar for time allowed and the different client had at least the activities mentioned, but the PRICE PAID WAS SO MUCH LESS? Could these two parties with the same "INDIVIDUAL LADY" actually may be two "VASTLY DIFFERENT AMOUNTS"?
Interested to here about "non-tangible" and "non-visible" factors?
Saw your reply to Wayne208, "Go to a brothel negotiate a party with a girl you like and agree on a price and activities. Then double the price and say, "What do I get if I give you this instead"? Review her response". My guess for me would be the lady would allow at least double the allowed time.
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RihannaLovely
Possibly, certain prices paid listed here may not be accurate. Some prices paid listed here may be accurate. Whereas, my guess is the example of one "INDIVIDUAL LADY" mentioned about a price paid for a party could be accurate. Is it possible for "INDIVIDUAL LADY" saw a different client where the party was quite similar for time allowed and the different client had at least the activities mentioned, but the PRICE PAID WAS SO MUCH LESS? Could these two parties with the same "INDIVIDUAL LADY" actually may be two "VASTLY DIFFERENT AMOUNTS"?
Interested to here about "non-tangible" and "non-visible" factors?
Saw your reply to Wayne208, "Go to a brothel negotiate a party with a girl you like and agree on a price and activities. Then double the price and say, "What do I get if I give you this instead"? Review her response". My guess for me would be the lady would allow at least double the allowed time.
I think you are comparing things that cannot be compared. You don't know what went on behind closed doors, the people involved, or even if the posted prices are accurate. I do not believe any prices posted on this board.
If you doubled your offer to see the lady's response, there is a chance the lady would offer you double the time. There's a change the lady would offer you more than double the time. The lady might offer you different activities. The lady might offer to throw in another girl. The list goes on, but bottom line: You get MORE of something when you pay more. And that would prove it to you.
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Inez's $300 for the hour, plus table shower. See here (http://inezsdd.com/rates-services/) for Inez's pricing.
Still the consistently best deal in LPIN! A small number of gals might offer better deals, but I can get this deal with ANY of the gals currently working at Inez's, 7 days a week 52 weeks a year.
Any gal that insists on multiples of that $300/hr amount during negotiations always has me asking myself "so, Coco and Sophia at Inez's give absolutely stellar parties, plus throw in a table shower on top of the 1 hour party to boot, is this gal able to give me a better party than those two have given me?"
The answer is almost always no. Pretty much every thing I look for in my type of GFE party I can find at Inez's. Note that I can find similar deals at a few other houses, so as long as the price offered is near/at/below the $300/hr ballpark, I'm good.
I still find parties at a few other houses (notably the Dovetail, which I have a good relationship with) which fit within my price expectations, and have some favorites at those other houses. Of course, those ladies KNOW I'm also a regular Inez's customer and don't insult me with 1K+ quotes...
So for me, it comes down to looks. That's about the only thing I'm willing to consider r.e. a slightly more expensive party. But, being the cheap bastard I am, I consider myself fortunate to have Elko so close to my doorstep...
Finally, most indies in my area list their rates in the $200 to $300/hr range, and I've consistently heard stories of people finding lower rates than that in the Indy world. While I have never went indy, the gals in LPIN need to understand that charging multiples of what the Indies do simply drives more customers away from LPIN. Certainly I expect a small markup, as conducting business as an LPIN has a few extra expenses (Say $200/hr for an indy vs $300-$400 for an LPIN), but if you are charging more than twice what the average indy is, well that is why the Nevada brothel industry continues to shrink. Even twice as much is pushing your luck.
Bobbi said as much when she announced that the Shady Lady was closing, i.e. that the huge indy scene in Nevada continues to kill off a legal industry, i.e. LPIN. And even though Bobbi's ladies gave $300/hr parties, the absolutely huge indie scene in Vegas, in combination with the extra travel time to get to Scotty's Junction, plus the ladies wanting to work at larger houses closer to Vegas and Reno, ultimately brought about the demise of the Shady Lady. Not to mention Bikinis and a number of other brothels. If Bikinis had been more profitable, I'm sure that it would have reopened in short order under new ownership, but that hasn't been the case. In fact, all three brothels in the Beatty area (if you include the Shady Lady) are now closed. There are now only four legal brothels left in Nye County, and it wasn't that long ago that there were 8...
Note that the Wildcat is in Mineral County, not Nye County, for those that may be wondering...
I don't really consider ACH/LRS as part of Beatty btw, more Pahrump-ish...
Sure, there are whales out there. But this is why a number of the larger houses are now staying open primarily because of the daily rent they charge their ladies, which covers the overhead. And this is why I've noticed that a larger number of new ladies aren't lasting in LPIN than in years past. Because they aren't drawing in enough customers because LPIN in general has become overpriced, allowing the competition to step in and undercut the brothels severely.
Some ladies understand this, and are pricing themselves competitively (i.e. usually not more than 2x the average indy rate/specialty parties aside, usually a little less than 2x). But they seem to be more the exception than the rule, especially in the larger houses. Sure some ladies with much better than average looks and a high proficiency in sex work do last long enough to build a clientele that may be willing to spend more, but there are only so many whales to go around...
And have you SEEN the sheer number of hot gals on the Vegas backpage lately (sure, a large number use fake photos, but a large number do use their own pics...)? While we do not condone indies here, well THAT is your competition, and the Vegas indy scene is a highly competitive market these days... until Vegas gets serious about cracking down on escorts, you LPIN ladies will always have those Vegas (and Reno) indies as stiff competition.
In closing, IMHO Inez's has it about right price range wise - which is why they are so popular with a large number of us Mongers. While I support the gals setting their own rates (note the gals at Inez's chose to honor the 'house' rate when they hired on, although they do have the option to charge more for non-standard parties), those rates should be in line with the market. And IMHO $1K+/hr is NOT in line with the current market (well known porn stars going indy aside)- it isn't even close.
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If you enjoy going to Inez's, and like their prices, why go anywhere else?
I don't care what they charge at Inez's or here or there. My prices are always my prices.
If you want to party with me, pay my prices.
If you want to party with a girl from Inez's, pay their prices.
But don't try to party with me for Inez prices. :P
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I cannot post pricing information. ;D
YES YOU CAN .......
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In my neck of the woods, Sacto, CA, for experienced mongers, action with STD tested courtesans goes for:
1X with a solid 8+ Gal (for comparison the best in Hoff's stable are not 8).
Time 60 minutes
I don't normally DATY courtesans, but should things get out of hand, it is an included option
Sex in multiple positions
Sometimes one shot occasionally 2.
Price paid $200 or less.
2X is two hours @$300
Basically more of the same
Why the fuck would anybody go beyond this, if they do each additional hour is 100 up to max of $500 a night.
Since you, started the topic at least define 1X-nX, post your real pictures then X(price) and finally the 1-n. Then your post will have some meaning and people will know what a fucked up world LPIN, really is.
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I cannot post pricing information. ;D
YES YOU CAN .......
It would be more accurate if she said that she won't post prices.
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If you enjoy going to Inez's, and like their prices, why go anywhere else?
I don't care what they charge at Inez's or here or there. My prices are always my prices.
If you want to party with me, pay my prices.
If you want to party with a girl from Inez's, pay their prices.
But don't try to party with me for Inez prices. :P
Just wanted to point out that I've managed to party consistently at/near the $300/hr mark recently (i.e. a in some cases a little higher, but certainly not multiples higher) at other houses in LPIN, with quality courtesans nonetheless! As an 'Independent Contractor', you set your own rates (or choose to agree to the house rates), and you are of course free to do so.
The point of my post was to point out that, thanks to the Indy industry, and particularly the average of the rates they are charging, you have very stiff competition to contend with, which you may or may not want to factor in when setting your own rates. Until Vegas (and Reno) gets serious about cracking down on indies, that won't change.
Many of us here choose LPIN for the 'safety factor' as that factor has a value of sorts, but when we start talking multiples on the rates, not to mention the inconvenience of having to travel into backwater Nevada, well it's not that surprising to see brothels on the decline these days. Multiple newspaper articles have been chronicling that decline...
If you are able to find a lot of customers that will honor your rate, then good for you and congratulations on being a successful LPIN. If you are struggling, however, you may want to consider what a number of Mongers (i.e. part of your customer base) have been trying to point out to you r.e. your rates.
Good luck and I hope things work out for you!
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I did just fine during my time in LPIN and would never base my own prices on what you may have paid elsewhere. Regardless, as I said several times, the point of this thread is that you get more from a lady when you pay more. I never meant this in regards to lady-lady comparisons. I meant this in regards to partying with each lady as an individual. You get out what you put in. Period.
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Oddball with the Backing of Bobbi wins this one Hands Down . For 300 Bucks I Can and Have been to Inez's . Sue's and the Dovetail are Also Great Places to Visit .. All 3 House's Are Great with Great Ladies in Them . I will never go the Indy route as I do Not want to Catch any STD .I also wish You good Luck on Your Career in Lpin . As for Me offering the Lady Twice what We agreed Upon ?? That had me Laughing so Hard I almost Pissed My Pants . ;D. I can See Me Now OK we agreed on 350 for 1 Hour how does 700 sound instead for 1 1/2 hours LMAO .Maybe when Buying a New Car I should also Offer twice as Much . That made My Day Thank You . I have met a Few Mongers and they Know How Cheap I am . ;) :D :D ;D ;D
You very much misunderstood what I was saying. Let's use your numbers.
You agree upon 1 hour for 350.
You say to the lady, "What do I get if I give you 700 instead?"
My point is that her answer might surprise you. She is not going to say "Oh, thanks for the extra 350, you get the same thing." She is going to offer you something extra. If you don't like her offer, just party for the initial 350 for 1 hour you agreed upon.
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I agree with you wayne208. I can just see her going wtf I thought we had a deal. Why are you trying to change it now. Are you trying to fuck with my head. lmao. Next thing you know, the whole thing goes to shit and you end up wishing you had just set your money on fire, lol
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OK, I will jump into this circus ring. I think dudes either take a minimum amount or say that i all they got. That may or may not be the lie from their side.
Ladies often say this is what i usually get and that may or may not be true. So this may be the lie from their side.
So it is impossible to "unring the bell" after a deal is made in the scenario above, especially if a number is arrived upon in the usual way. Typically, the girl wants whatever she can get out of the guy and he wants whatever he can get out of her. The middle is where they meet. It is not what economists call a very "elastic" demand or supply once the deal has been made. For example, to ask what you get if the money is doubled is to admit you can afford more.
I believe that many girls try to make it seem like they are giving you a super deal for what they typically get from most guys who are in the know about pricing.
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OK, I will jump into this circus ring. I think dudes either take a minimum amount or say that i all they got. That may or may not be the lie from their side.
Ladies often say this is what i usually get and that may or may not be true. So this may be the lie from their side.
So it is impossible to "unring the bell" after a deal is made in the scenario above, especially if a number is arrived upon in the usual way. Typically, the girl wants whatever she can get out of the guy and he wants whatever he can get out of her. The middle is where they meet. It is not what economists call a very "elastic" demand or supply once the deal has been made. For example, to ask what you get if the money is doubled is to admit you can afford more.
I believe that many girls try to make it seem like they are giving you a super deal for what they typically get from most guys who are in the know about pricing.
The reason I suggested that you double your agreed upon offer was to PROVE the point of this thread: You get more when you pay more.
Most girls will try to be fair to their clients. Of course I don't give the same party for 1x that I do for 100x or 1000x. It is ridiculous that you all think that.
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Another factor to take into consideration is how the lady feels when you DO decide to pay more. She might be tired, distracted with something in her personal life etc. The lady might be just going through the motions as opposed to really enjoying herself. I have had other LPINs tell me this that sometimes it does matter the time of day you see a lady if she is really horny at the time or not. I even had a lady keep going past our allotted time recently because she was enjoying herself and I did not pay $1x. Not every guy has 10x to spend, most probably don't. I am sure most work long days and hours just to make ends meet and survive and want a little fun at a LPIN. At the same time some might have only $500 and if they do not get a party I would tell that guy then use it on something else that you can enjoyment from. I am not saying a lady should sell every activity or time at a certain rate, but if a guy offers what he can really afford and not an extreme lowball I would hope that the Lady would work with his budget. If not, walk.
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I have walked clients for a diversity of reasons - from rudeness (his) to consideration of a new girl in the house (hoping to redirect him to her) to lack of confidence that I could service his fetish to needing to take a break. I have done $100 parties and I have done $20K parties.
The clients who seem to be happiest are the high dollar clients. They know what they want, have the means to get it, & go for it. The parties are more "whole" - magnificent memories are made. The guys at the other end of the bell curve are content - for the same reasons - they are getting what they want within their means. It's the guys in the middle who are constantly questioning their own satisfaction and therefore sabotaging it. The whole adversarial mindset, in which you pitch yourself as a buyer on the opposite team as the seller, fucks with your good time.
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LPIN ladies' direct competition is other ladies in LPIN, but a significant competition is and has always been the illegal side, as well as other legal avenues (e.g. brothels in Germany). Since prices are posted for other competition it is usually the basis on any newbie coming into LPIN. Quoted prices in LPIN are usually an order of magnitude or more compared to escorts, while the negotiated prices can still easily be multiples of that. One can only sell the safety factor so much before guys just risk it on the illegal side.
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I'll never understand why some guys seem to think it matters what "other" people are charging. I've never ever given a rats behind what anyone else is doing. My prices are my prices, take them or go back to wherever it was you got your great deal from. It's a tangent from my initial point in making this thread, but it was always a pet peeve of mine.
If some girl is giving you a great deal, why are you talking to me then? Be loyal to her. I once had to drag a client out of my room because he claimed he could get a lot of girls for the ridiculously low amount he was offering..... So I excitedly said "ok awesome let's go out there and get them!!!" and tried to take out.... And suddenly he didn't want to leave??
I'm happy for anyone whose getting dirt cheap pussy wherever they happen to be doing it. Just not sure what that has to do with me?
And great post, Sonja! You are maybe more eloquent than me!
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"The whole adversarial mindset, in which you pitch yourself as a buyer on the opposite team as the seller, fucks with your good time." (from Sonja above)
Sonja, I agree and what a great argument for a fixed price brothel.
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I wonder if Rihanna Lovely realizes how threads like this hurt her career. The attitude alone is a turn off and the reasoning that you pay more to get more is BS. Dont care about looks. The damage is done. I doubt your boss would agree with the stance either. I have partied at his houses for $400,$500, $750, $1000, $2500, $3000. All the parties were consistent and lights out. Its the attitude that drives what I pay and frankly your attitude stinks. Best of luck to you.
BTW, perhaps my best party ever was a $400 90 minute party with Demi at the wild horse. Amazing time. She liked me and realized what repeat business I brought.
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So I see it like this. I pay five ladies for a Blow Job $10, $20, $50. $100, $200, I am blindfolded and they service me one at a time in a random order. Do you want to know which Blow Job is the best? It is the one from the lady with the best attitude and the business sense to want to keep me as a repeat customer.
This whole idea that if you spend more you will get a better party is pure BS. Because no matter how much you spend you could still get a better party if you spent more. It is never ending up selling!
Somewhere above this post it was suggested that if I want $300 parties I should go to Elko. Sounds like a plan to me, something maybe more of us should consider.
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On this board, I so often see a focus on spending the least amount of money possible. While this may be a natural response when buying a product, I believe you are often missing a very important thing: You get what you pay for.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
Assuming you negotiate a girl's minimum party, you are likely to experience that girl's minimum amount of time, attention, and affection. If you go beyond the minimum price range, the girl should (and likely will) go beyond your expectations as well.
I am not referring to pricing between girl to girl. Yes, sometimes girl B will give a better party than girl A for less money. What I am referring to is the fact that, even in this case, girl B does not give the same party to you that she will give to somebody who paid more or somebody who paid less!
All parties are different. Stop focusing on spending as little as you can and start focusing on having a good time. You'll thank me for it later.
Get what you were trying to say young lady. If I were still fully active I would not hold what you said in your above post. I think I get what yoh were trying to say. ;) But knowing how most of the active population thinks on here on the monger side. When ever a lady starts a price discussion on here she winds up taking 30 lashes on here. Props to you for having the courage to state your opinion. Just understand you might get a few down votes for doing it.
Someone else said a post like the one above could hurt her career? Minimal damage ar best disagree with me on this part of my post if you like. But the number of people that frequent her establishment that know about this site and will read her post that started this topic is just a blip on the Radar.
Even if they do see it if a guy walks in who likes her look he is still going to think shr is still worth talking to. You can never make a trur informed decision about anyone on here working girl or momger based on words on a fourm unless you have met them in person. If Monger A and Working girl X have a spark once they meet in person an agreement will be reached you both xan live with if a lady once your business baf enough she will bend a little and if the monger wants to for lack of better words bone her bad enough he will bend on some of his demands.
Either way there will have to be some give and take on both sides for the dance to work.
A lady should not assume every guy can afford 2K or even 1K a pop. But a guy should not assume every girl will give you the same party for 300. Milage per girl will vary depending on the lady you are dancing with. One price does not fit all. That goes for both the buyer and the seller.
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I'll never understand why some guys seem to think it matters what "other" people are charging. I've never ever given a rats behind what anyone else is doing. My prices are my prices, take them or go back to wherever it was you got your great deal from. It's a tangent from my initial point in making this thread, but it was always a pet peeve of mine.
If some girl is giving you a great deal, why are you talking to me then? Be loyal to her. I once had to drag a client out of my room because he claimed he could get a lot of girls for the ridiculously low amount he was offering..... So I excitedly said "ok awesome let's go out there and get them!!!" and tried to take out.... And suddenly he didn't want to leave??
I'm happy for anyone whose getting dirt cheap pussy wherever they happen to be doing it. Just not sure what that has to do with me?
And great post, Sonja! You are maybe more eloquent than me!
Some guys care what other ladies prices are so they can go to a place that fits in their budget. As I said before maybe that is all a guy can afford, I don't think a guy should feel bad if he can't afford a certain lady prices. In my negotiations if a lady is out of my range I politely decline and say sorry unfortunately you are not in my range. You can ask for the price you feel you are worth, just realize that their are other options out there if you are too high for some guys. Some ladies will work with guys who have a smaller budget, while others don't that is the nature of the business. If you are doing great at the prices you charge good for you and I hope you do well. The prices other ladies charge has nothing to do with you but with each lady who charges them. I don't think and I can say this for myself and I am sure other guys it is not malciously or with any mean intent to not go to a lady who has a higher rate. It doesn't mean the guy doesn't find the lady appealing he just can't afford her services and looks elsewhere, no different then why some people buy certain type and brand of car that fits their range.
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If I went to Abby's Hamburger Place and got a great hamburger for a dollar I'd spend another dollar and order another, expecting to get twice as much of the same. If I went to Rihanna's Hamburger Place and got a mediocre hamburger for a dollar, I doubt if I would risk another--because I would expect to get twice as much of the same.
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The directions you people take with these discussion never ceases to amaze me. :o
1. Never did I say that I don't work with all budgets. That line is repeated often and it could not be more true. But that doesn't mean that we charge poor people one price and rich people a different price for the same party. ::) That's what many think it means, which is the myth I've been trying to dispel with this thread. ::)
2. I have done parties starting at 1x to 100x. The 1x party (which in my case doesn't involve sexual activity) is NOT the same party that a guy gets when he pays more. ::) Who would do that? Why would that be? ::) Of course 100x parties or 1000 x parties are BETTER with MORE STUFF or MORE TIME or MORE OF SOMETHING than 1x parties. That's just fucking logic.
3. The above does NOT mean that you won't have a good time with a 1x party if that's all you can afford or that's all you want. ALL it means it that its NOT your only option.
4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.
In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.
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4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.
In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.
since prices can't be posted.
yes they can The shadylady did it for years .. inez is still doing it..
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Negotiations happen cause the two parties can't agree on the price AND the activities involved. For example, you mentioned that your 1X party doesn't involve sexual activities, but if the guy wants sexual activities for 1X, you either need to lower your quote or convince the guy to reduce activities, or the guy needs to increase his price.
Low ball offers happen cause: a. The guy's a jerk and just wants to throw it out there (reverse price walk); b. The guy actually has partied at that price point with similar looking ladies for similar parties (in and/or out of LPIN); c. That's all the guy's got
(I believe that most ladies get pissed at Guy A, yet a lot of mongers here are Guy B or C)
What is going through my mind when I'm negotiating: Lady's attitude, appearance, prices that I've paid similar looking ladies for similar parties, my willingness to just walk away (I'm more stubborn when it comes to hot young ladies ;) - so if any ladies have gone through a marathon negotiations session with me... take it as a compliment ;))
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My 2c
During my recent trip to Mustang Ranch, I had 2 parties. One was a 'warm up' 3 dance private party in the lady's room...Ended up being a 30 minute, very intimate, special party. Later in the evening I partied with another lady, this time the 'main event' one hour party. I paid 5x the initial party and, to be frank, it was good but I spent the whole of the next day thinking about the first party.
The main factor, in my opinion, is chemistry. If you get on well with the lady, and if she likes you and genuinely wants to party with you, you will get a lot more for 1X than some other guys will get for 10X. It's just human nature.
I'll continue to negotiate for the best price I can.
Good thread though
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I agree with you wayne208. I can just see her going wtf I thought we had a deal. Why are you trying to change it now. Are you trying to fuck with my head. lmao. Next thing you know, the whole thing goes to shit and you end up wishing you had just set your money on fire, lol
Been there done that... the lady got so confused... just go with the initial party planned, and offer the "double" next time.
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If some girl is giving you a great deal, why are you talking to me then? Be loyal to her. I once had to drag a client out of my room because he claimed he could get a lot of girls for the ridiculously low amount he was offering..... So I excitedly said "ok awesome let's go out there and get them!!!" and tried to take out.... And suddenly he didn't want to leave??
It's a brothel, loyalty to ladies isn't a must, why keep having sex with the same lady, guys would just fuck their wives' if that's the case...?
At least for me, I prefer to have a certain number of ladies that I party with (instead of just one) cause: lady may be busy, lady may not be scheduled, lady may quit prior to my return (turnover at the brothels is HIGH)
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since prices can't be posted.
yes they can The shadylady did it for years .. inez is still doing it..
While I am aware that the laws regarding this may be open to interpretation, it is against the rules of the house I have worked to post prices, so I will not do that. Furthermore, even if I wanted to, posting prices would be difficult since every party is different.
If some girl is giving you a great deal, why are you talking to me then? Be loyal to her. I once had to drag a client out of my room because he claimed he could get a lot of girls for the ridiculously low amount he was offering..... So I excitedly said "ok awesome let's go out there and get them!!!" and tried to take out.... And suddenly he didn't want to leave??
It's a brothel, loyalty to ladies isn't a must, why keep having sex with the same lady, guys would just fuck their wives' if that's the case...?
At least for me, I prefer to have a certain number of ladies that I party with (instead of just one) cause: lady may be busy, lady may not be scheduled, lady may quit prior to my return (turnover at the brothels is HIGH)
The point is that I am not going to "bend" to what some other person at some other place at some other time charged for something. I'm NOT that other person, at that other place, at that other time.
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4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.
In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.
Hikingguy's mentality is way better than fine. He has been on LPIN/SIN and actively visiting brothels for years. He is very informed about pricing (way more informed than you are obviously)! Being aware of "the legal market average" can be a very handy tool for any IC to use in order to keep their own pricing somewhat in line with their competition especially if other brothels are within reasonable driving time/distance from where you are located. Most of these guys on here, when they do travel to NV, have a tendency to stay for several days and usually have quite a few parties throughout their stay. Also, they generally go to an area where there are several brothels to go and party.
And as far as making the statement on here that "there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option." Who are you to tell them what their options are? How do you know what their budget is, or what their overall plans include while in NV?
Negotiating a party is just that, negotiation ON BOTH SIDES. It has to be a win/win! The client shouldn't come in and offer $100 for an 1 hour party with all activities included and not budge on the price, time or activities. That is clearly unreasonable (but believe it or not I have been aware of this happening on many occasions) and the client ends up leaving with no party. That's his fault, at least partially, for not being more aware of general pricing in brothels. Also, they should not expect the same pricing in brothels as they might get from illegal independents, but it seems alot of potential clients are not aware of an IC's incurred expenses by choosing to be at a legal/safe brothel. Right off the top, we split the amount of each party with the house 50/50; we have room and board to pay on a daily basis; we have the cost of the weekly medical clearance to pay for; we have to pay the house for any and all transportation to and from the house (to the doctor, shopping, airport, etc.); we have the sheriff's work card to pay for (in Nye County it is $125 every quarter); I personally have a round trip flight to pay for plus baggage costs; clothing; personal care items (hair, makeup, etc.) and the list goes on.
But by the same token, IC's must be competitive not only price wise but in the quality of service they provide. Clients talk and word does get around about outrageous pricing, terrible parties, an IC not living up to her word (shorting time/activities agreed on), etc.
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Abby, I think you're mixing up the HikingGuy's, the one responding to this thread recently is HikingGuy2013, whom I believe started LPIN in 2013, so not the HikingGuy that has been to LPIN for YEARS. Of course, this doesn't take away the fact that his mentality is better than fine.
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But by the same token, IC's must be competitive not only price wise but in the quality of service they provide. Clients talk and word does get around about outrageous pricing, terrible parties, an IC not living up to her word (shorting time/activities agreed on), etc.
1. You may subject your pussy to "market pricing", but why should I? Charging whatever the fuck I wanted to charge without ever giving a fuck or a second thought about what the girl in the next room was charging (MUCH less illegal prostitute pricing) didn't stop me from doing just fine in LPIN and consistently being a top-3 booker. (In the short time I was there) And I've never missed or given a second thought to any money I've walked to a fellow girl because we couldn't agree during negotiations.
2. Who said anything about outrageous pricing, not living up to my word, or giving bad parties? I don't do any of those things and had many, many repeat clients.
Saying, "Hey, you can do minimum parties if you want to. . .but you'll have more fun if you take your focus off minimums" shouldn't be an offensive thing. It's only an offensive thing because some are so stuck in the mindset mentioned earlier of being an "adversary" to the girl.
And LOL at mincing words about "fine" vs "more than fine". My posts weren't directed at people with his (more-than-fine) mindset, so I told him so. Who cares what words I used? ;D
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QTo thank you for the clarification, Abby sorry for the confusion. The "Hikingguy" is definitely more knowledgable then myself. But I do agree with your posts.
Rihanna no one is telling you how to market yourself or what price you should charge. You are more then welcome to charge the rate you feel welcome toand it seems like you are doing well.
I did have an incident recently where a lady told me the price I quoted her no lady in the house would accept. It was not $100, more like between $600-700, I did say to her I have paid that before in the house she was working in currently, However, she refuse and I was 100% ok. She refused to work with my rate. I never would say that another house but if it is the same house then I might say something. I thought she was doing a disservice not only to the house but to other ladies working there who might accept the rate.
Anyways the manager was not ok to hear that I was walked and I was able to find another lady who did work with my range. Maybe the lady I partied with needed money badly or she was new or she was just wanting to relieve boredom who knows.
I would hope most ladies would try on a failed negotiation to introduce the guy to a new lady who might be in the range he is asking, would you do that and help a fellow LPIN? What if the roles were reversed and another LPIN had a failed negotiation closer to your rate would you hope that the lady introduces him to you? Just curious.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
If you mean on whether a guy gets a bungalow or all nighter yes you are right as the price does dictate that. If you mean on effort and interest I would disagree and I am sure some ladies would too.
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Rihanna no one is telling you how to market yourself or what price you should charge. You are more then welcome to charge the rate you feel welcome toand it seems like you are doing well.
This is why I said your mindset was "fine" (though apparently I should have used the adjective more-than-fine.) :P You seem like a polite, reasonable, gentleman.
I did have an incident recently where a lady told me the price I quoted her no lady in the house would accept. It was not $100, more like between $600-700, I did say to her I have paid that before in the house she was working in currently, However, she refuse and I was 100% ok. She refused to work with my rate. I never would say that another house but if it is the same house then I might say something. I thought she was doing a disservice not only to the house but to other ladies working there who might accept the rate.
In this case, don't think twice, just go talk to a different lady! That's why houses try to offer a variety of ladies! If one particular girl can't work with you, try to find someone who will! There's nothing wrong with that! :P
Anyways the manager was not ok to hear that I was walked and I was able to find another lady who did work with my range. Maybe the lady I partied with needed money badly or she was new or she was just wanting to relieve boredom who knows.
Glad you were able to get your party! ;) :D
I would hope most ladies would try on a failed negotiation to introduce the guy to a new lady who might be in the range he is asking, would you do that and help a fellow LPIN? What if the roles were reversed and another LPIN had a failed negotiation closer to your rate would you hope that the lady introduces him to you? Just curious.
Of course, all the time! Sometimes, in order not to play "favorites" with other ladies in the house, I'll just let him know that he's free to talk to anyone he likes. Other times, if I know he'd be a good match with someone, I do introduce him. At the house I worked in, we all tried to work as a team to make all the ladies and customers happy.
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Ya know, at one time prices really did make a big difference to me. Now, I could care less. Perhaps it's because I no longer have to pay them. ;D
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...You may subject your pussy to "market pricing", but why should I? Charging whatever the fuck I wanted to charge without ever giving a fuck or a second thought about what the girl in the next room was charging ...(
Perhaps we are comparing apples with oranges. Women like Abby provide a multifaceted experience...while others are 'selling their pussy.'
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...You may subject your pussy to "market pricing", but why should I? Charging whatever the fuck I wanted to charge without ever giving a fuck or a second thought about what the girl in the next room was charging ...(
Perhaps we are comparing apples with oranges. Women like Abby provide a multifaceted experience...while others are 'selling their pussy.'
LOLOLOLOL WTF???
The whole point of this thread was that THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF PARTY YOU CAN HAVE.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I believe a woman should give 100% in performance and attitude in every single party she books... No matter the price. This is a statement Abby seems to also believe. I may not agree with her politics (in fact it infuriates me to hear the ics talk religion or politics) but I bet she gives an all out fantastic party.
Rihanna- where did you work? What years?
Edit: because this is post 1000!!!! Woooooo:)
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I believe a woman should give 100% in performance and attitude in every single party she books... No matter the price. This is a statement Abby seems to also believe. I may not agree with her politics (in fact it infuriates me to hear the ics talk religion or politics) but I bet she gives an all out fantastic party.
Thank you for the compliment and your honesty, but I don't understand why it would "infuriate" anyone to hear IC's about talk religion or politics?! I would like to know why if you don't mind sharing your opinion on this.
Thanks, Abby
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I believe a woman should give 100% in performance and attitude in every single party she books... No matter the price. This is a statement Abby seems to also believe. I may not agree with her politics (in fact it infuriates me to hear the ics talk religion or politics) but I bet she gives an all out fantastic party.
Thank you for the compliment and your honesty, but I don't understand why it would "infuriate" anyone to hear IC's about talk religion or politics?! I would like to know why if you don't mind sharing your opinion on this.
Thanks, Abby
Like the Sammy Kershaw song Says
Politics can Start a fight & Religion iys Hard to know who's right. ;) There is also something about her well whomever her was must be a real heart breaker. ;D ;D
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For me, its customer service before, during & after the party. I learned its better to say yes than to say no. That works for me. Xoxo. Dyana Dyamonds.
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QTo thank you for the clarification, Abby sorry for the confusion. The "Hikingguy" is definitely more knowledgable then myself. But I do agree with your posts.
Rihanna no one is telling you how to market yourself or what price you should charge. You are more then welcome to charge the rate you feel welcome toand it seems like you are doing well.
I did have an incident recently where a lady told me the price I quoted her no lady in the house would accept. It was not $100, more like between $600-700, I did say to her I have paid that before in the house she was working in currently, However, she refuse and I was 100% ok. She refused to work with my rate. I never would say that another house but if it is the same house then I might say something. I thought she was doing a disservice not only to the house but to other ladies working there who might accept the rate.
Anyways the manager was not ok to hear that I was walked and I was able to find another lady who did work with my range. Maybe the lady I partied with needed money badly or she was new or she was just wanting to relieve boredom who knows.
I would hope most ladies would try on a failed negotiation to introduce the guy to a new lady who might be in the range he is asking, would you do that and help a fellow LPIN? What if the roles were reversed and another LPIN had a failed negotiation closer to your rate would you hope that the lady introduces him to you? Just curious.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
If you mean on whether a guy gets a bungalow or all nighter yes you are right as the price does dictate that. If you mean on effort and interest I would disagree and I am sure some ladies would too.
This is an interesting quote, "I did have an incident recently where a lady told me the price I quoted her no lady in the house would accept". In a few of my previously negotiations have heard a lady say something similar to this phrase, "NO (OTHER) LADY IN THE HOUSE WOULD ACCEPT (YOUR OFFER)". So why does certain ladies in LPIN say something like this phrase? Here's my logic for reasoning: First, this phrase could determine if the potential client is new or experienced to LPIN. If the potential client starts questioning this phrase the lady likely could tell the potential client isn't new to LPIN. Second, the lady may not be interested in a party with the potential client. Third, stating this phrase could give the lady the upper hand in negotiations, and attempting to maximize her cost for the party. Fourth, which works in conjunction with the third, she could be trying to limit the potential client to only negotiating with her. In other words no other options but her. Where's Tapper (LOL)?
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I have worked with ladies (not here at LRV, but elsewhere) that have done that exact same thing and that makes me so angry and more so when management is aware of them doing it and not doing anything about it. Statements like that do hurt the house and the other ladies working there. Why some say that, I have no idea, it makes no sense, especially when the client bolts out the door without even trying to negotiate with another lady. She didn't book the party, no one else got the opportunity to book a party and the client left without a party, everyone came out a loser, so what was the point of that statement in the first place?! Then to beat all, some of these ladies will turn right around and do it again, really, what did you not learn from the time(s) before?!.
So, everybody reading this please keep in mind: We are all Independent Contractors with our own prices! Not all of us have the "golden pussy" syndrome and fully understand that the majority of clients are "playing" within a certain set budget. In my opinion, that's just being responsible!
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4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.
In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.
since prices can't be posted.
yes they can The shadylady did it for years .. inez is still doing it..
Haven't the "negotiation brothels" brought this on themselves? That is guys trying to get women to change their prices because the guys know that most negotiation brothel women start out at 3-5 times more of what they actually get? It would seem to me, if "negotiation" brothel women do not want men trying to get them to lower their prices, they too should stop playing the price game and state what they'll actually accept right off the bat instead of seeing if they can catch a whale or naïve customer.
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Stages of brothel existence:
Open with one of numerous formats
Chosen format doesn't work
Attempt so called "Creative options" which are nothing more than 'circus' show antics (transsexuals, men, etc.).
Transition to fixed price brothel;
"Downsize" said brothel.
Go out of business
I may have missed a few steps, but the MOST PROVEN model of running a successful brothel are Hoff and Mustang.
No other formula out there.
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4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.
In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.
since prices can't be posted.
yes they can The shadylady did it for years .. inez is still doing it..
Haven't the "negotiation brothels" brought this on themselves? That is guys trying to get women to change their prices because the guys know that most negotiation brothel women start out at 3-5 times more of what they actually get? It would seem to me, if "negotiation" brothel women do not want men trying to get them to lower their prices, they too should stop playing the price game and state what they'll actually accept right off the bat instead of seeing if they can catch a whale or naïve customer.
??? :o
I think this post just displays an extreme lack of understanding of the original point in this thread. Not all parties are made the same.
If a girl offers you a high quote for "Party A" and you can't afford or don't want to pay for "Party A", the girl may instead give you "Party B" for a price you can afford.
In the end, you accept "Party B", but that doesn't mean she was misleading you about the price of "Party A". :o ::)
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I also want to add that it's pretty twisted logic to think the ladies are "preying upon" the naivety of a "whale". If by "whale", you mean wealthy customer, think it through for a second. Unless the wealthy customer inherited his money, in all likelihood he is a very intelligent man for having earned his wealth. THESE customers are smart enough to understand that they are paying for what they want to get and if they wanted to pay less, they would get a less-inclusive party.
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Haven't the "negotiation brothels" brought this on themselves? That is guys trying to get women to change their prices because the guys know that most negotiation brothel women start out at 3-5 times more of what they actually get? It would seem to me, if "negotiation" brothel women do not want men trying to get them to lower their prices, they too should stop playing the price game and state what they'll actually accept right off the bat instead of seeing if they can catch a whale or naïve customer.
Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".
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I also want to add that it's pretty twisted logic to think the ladies are "preying upon" the naivety of a "whale". If by "whale", you mean wealthy customer, think it through for a second. Unless the wealthy customer inherited his money, in all likelihood he is a very intelligent man for having earned his wealth. THESE customers are smart enough to understand that they are paying for what they want to get and if they wanted to pay less, they would get a less-inclusive party.
It's not logic. It's the truth. In over 30 years of going to the brothels before retiring from the brothels, I saw too many women who would size up a man's wallet at the bar or the way he was dressed trying to figure out how much she could get from him. Also such questions as what he does for a living of if he's having any luck in the casinos right down to the make of his watch.
At one time I challenged all negotiation brothel owners to post signs in their parlor letting customers know exactly how negotiations work and not one would do it. Whattttt? Let the customers know how things work and miss out on naïve customers. Even the negotiation system is set up to maximize income from each customer. Oh and let's not forget the women who no longer want to do small parties as it takes them off the floor in case a whale would swim by or a naïve customer who just fell off the turnip truck stopped by.
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I also want to add that it's pretty twisted logic to think the ladies are "preying upon" the naivety of a "whale". If by "whale", you mean wealthy customer, think it through for a second. Unless the wealthy customer inherited his money, in all likelihood he is a very intelligent man for having earned his wealth. THESE customers are smart enough to understand that they are paying for what they want to get and if they wanted to pay less, they would get a less-inclusive party.
It's not logic. It's the truth. In over 30 years of going to the brothels before retiring from the brothels,
You've obviously developed some very incorrect, inaccurate, and strange views in your 30 years of visiting brothels. ;D
I saw too many women who would size up a man's wallet at the bar or the way he was dressed trying to figure out how much she could get from him.
First of all, this is a strange thought because often the best dressed men are willing to spend the least money. I was taught immediately by many ladies that you can never tell how much a customer is willing to spend based on their outward appearance. Typically, blue-collar people are the most generous in ANY service industry. (Not just LPIN) So your logic here, to be frank, is bullshit! ;D
Second of all, that doesn't negate the fact (the TRUTH) that most women would not simply charge the "whale" 3 times her "normal rate". She would offer the whale a party that was WORTH 3 times her normal rate. The "whale" doesn't pay 3 times the normal rate for a party. . .he gets a party that's worth 3 times the "normal rate". Get it?
At one time I challenged all negotiation brothel owners to post signs in their parlor letting customers know exactly how negotiations work and not one would do it. Whattttt? Let the customers know how things work and miss out on naïve customers.
Maybe because this is tacky? And they didn't want some wacky customer with twisted views dictating the way they do things at their establishment? Just a guess! ::)
That doesn't mean they are seeking "naive" customers. I think almost all customers, ESPECIALLY the whales you speak of, know they're in a negotiation when they're in one. ::) Besides, all girls run their negotiations differently.
Even the negotiation system is set up to maximize income from each customer.
I don't think this is accurate. I think it's set up the way it is because:
-Every girl is different
-Every party is different
-Every customer is different
Oh and let's not forget the women who no longer want to do small parties as it takes them off the floor in case a whale would swim by or a naïve customer who just fell off the turnip truck stopped by.
Any time I have been disinterested in taking small parties, it has been the result of pure laziness on my part. No ulterior motives. I didn't get that way normally, but we are all human.
Most times, girls work with all budgets and will try to offer you SOME TYPE of party for the money you are offering.
In closing, you've developed lunatic, cynical views of situations that are not as you perceive them to be. ::)
Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".
I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.
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Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".
I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.
And that is why many of my negotiations go so long (if I don't give up early and walk). Ladies simply come in with a view of, "I'm not partying (let's say a half-and-half party) for less than 4 figures". Not only do I need to negotiate a price, I need to change a lady's mindset of some "arbitrary" floor of value (likely put in place by the brothel management and/or herself and/or other ladies suggestions)
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Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".
I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.
And that is why many of my negotiations go so long (if I don't give up early and walk). Ladies simply come in with a view of, "I'm not partying (let's say a half-and-half party) for less than 4 figures". Not only do I need to negotiate a price, I need to change a lady's mindset of some "arbitrary" floor of value (likely put in place by the brothel management and/or herself and/or other ladies suggestions)
I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.
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I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.
Quite possibly, too bad I don't have unlimited funds to test out this theory.
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I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.
Why are you at this day after day? You said you do well on your trips so what is your motive?
Long gone are the days of swindling a naive virgin for thousands of dollars just for a peepee touch. In this information age, any newbie is going to Google "nevada brothel prices" at least ten times before their trip. It's just reality.
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You may be right, but it's tough to compare what a lady would do for 10X vs. 1X unless you have experienced both with the same lady. It is much tougher to get a lady to drop down to 1X after partying with her for 10X, hence it is probably better to start at 1X and if the 1X party is MUCH better than the average 1X party (or average 10X party for that matter), then one would be more inclined to spend 10X.
Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, many ladies' 10X party pale in comparison to the 1X party of other ladies, so how can a lady convince guys to part with 10X right off the bat? If the guy started with 10X parties and only parties at the 10X level, yes the only comparison is within the 10X range, but most active members on this board would probably be more willing to benchmark a lady's performance at the 1X range, and if suitable, then possibly increase their prices for more activities (like a longer party or an outdate - been there, done that)
This is a perfectly fine, good point. This is, actually, how most 10x parties happen. During my time in LPIN, my biggest party started with a small party to get to know me first. . .and then progressed as you described. To overnights and outdates.
It's fine to start with a 1X party to feel things out. It's even ok to only do 1x parties. But don't pay 1x and expect the same thing as someone who is paying 10x!
I guess the disconnect is when discussing the initial 1X party, the lady is only willing to do a HJ, while I need at least a GFE party if the lady wants to be "eligible" for the 10X party.
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I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.
Why are you at this day after day? You said you do well on your trips so what is your motive?
Long gone are the days of swindling a naive virgin for thousands of dollars just for a peepee touch. In this information age, any newbie is going to Google "nevada brothel prices" at least ten times before their trip. It's just reality.
For every one guy that will research the Average going rates.
You got 5 more who's first exposure too lpin is through a house fourm the bunny board in most cases and maybe a few via way of Sheris or the Mustang fourms. A few others might first exposure is watching Cat House but not one of the episodes where prices are discussed.
A few others may hear about via word of mouth from a friend who will not necessarily tell the whole truth about how much they paid.
I get what you are saying, but there will always be plenty of first timers that walk in cold with no clue how the game is played. Also if the would be client is actually a virgin not just a brothel virgin the lady has a huge advantage in the contract talks.
As for this topic in general I get what the young lady was trying to say in her original post. Give hef some credit for having the courage to start a topic knowing full well it would rile up the natvie population on here was going to disagree with her.
If I was still active I would not rule her out based on her stating her opinion on here. I just would make sure I had a plan B & or C. In all the years I went to the brothels I never got price walked. Maybe when I launch my comeback around the year 2025 it might happen then. ;D ;D
If you are still around in 10 years Miss Rihanna I'll give you first crack at being the first stop on my comeback tour. ;)
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Abby- I don't like the discussion of politics or religion in the service industry. Those are two very divisive topics that will lose you customers. For instance, I could have looked past your rebel flag but once you confirmed your political views you lost out on me, as a paying customer. Just my opinion man (stoner accent).
Rihanna- when did you work at the brothels? Which brothel?
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I'm so over this topic. Can't believe people spend years on the same topic. Fuck!! It is what it is.
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Abby- I don't like the discussion of politics or religion in the service industry. Those are two very divisive topics that will lose you customers. For instance, I could have looked past your rebel flag but once you confirmed your political views you lost out on me, as a paying customer. Just my opinion man (stoner accent).
Just to clarify, I do not bring up those subjects in person (one on one); if a client wants to talk about such subjects (which they do quite frequently), I will be respectful and listen with interest while being careful to avoid any adversarial comments/questions on my behalf. Duh, I do realize there is a time and a place for certain things! But on here, I really thought it would be OK, especially when I read comments made by the mongers that they would really like for the working girls to engage more in "topic" conversations vs. only posting "come see me" advertisements. Apparently, not everyone is as open-minded as I am in simply accepting the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your opinions but that doesn't mean that you cannot co-exist and get along for the most part. Just out of curiosity, are all of your friends/family members/etc. in total agreement with all of your opinions? I know mine aren't, but that doesn't make them have any less significance in my life.
Did I loose you as a paying customer simply because I "dared" to even discuss some of my political views or that my political views are very different from yours? I would really like to know. I had a really good friend (passed away from cancer a couple of years ago) who had a totally opposite view point than mine concerning unions but that did not affect our friendship in the least! We basically agreed to disagree! I think that shows just how important our friendship was to the both of us and I miss them terribly! I think about all of the things in life we would have missed out on if either one of us had rejected the other's friendship just simply based on a difference of opinion.
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Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".
I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.
And that is why many of my negotiations go so long (if I don't give up early and walk). Ladies simply come in with a view of, "I'm not partying (let's say a half-and-half party) for less than 4 figures". Not only do I need to negotiate a price, I need to change a lady's mindset of some "arbitrary" floor of value (likely put in place by the brothel management and/or herself and/or other ladies suggestions)
I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.
Why is changing a lady's mindset considered "manipulating women?" Changing someone's mindset is central to the art of negotiation. It's not a negative thing. Are you saying that a working girl doesn't try to change a prospective client's mindset about why she should be paid more? Is she "manipulating" the man? QTo isn't being "difficult" he's just negotiating and negotiation is a two-way street. Too bad that you don't see it that way. My impression that you think guys should always just cave in to the lady's price because that's her price. That isn't negotiation.
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Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread first. Some of you (e.g., Abby, Sidewinder) made the same point. But I still stand by my comments.
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1. You may subject your pussy to "market pricing", but why should I? Charging whatever the fuck I wanted to charge without ever giving a fuck or a second thought about what the girl in the next room was charging (MUCH less illegal prostitute pricing) didn't stop me from doing just fine in LPIN and consistently being a top-3 booker.
Good to know that selling 'pussy' as if it were ground beef and sold by the ounce can be as lucretive as offering a party including human interaction. I'm guessing that frequently saying 'fuck' may add value to the transaction.
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I'm so over this topic. Can't believe people spend years on the same topic. Fuck!! It is what it is.
New members Join the fourm wanting ti get the discussion mmoving so everything that is old is new again at least for about a week. ;D ;D
Price is one of those hot button topics. That the buyer and seller will not agree on at least on open forum.
But a lot of times in private on site one on one talks 9 times put of 10 if the 2 parties are truly destined to dance the two parties will meet in the middle. A rate will be established both parties can live with. Ic only our government worked the same way.
Anyway I see your point Aries, but price related discussions on here are like Athletes foot it flares up every so often.
Another topic although a little mkre rare that never seems to die & continues to surface from time to time to time is Anal sex. That topic is about do again to surface.
Maybe someone who is board one day can s ft art a topic with a list of links to all the topics that continue to resurface on here. Topics on here are like old clothes rheh go out of fashion. But stick them in a closet or a drawer & eventually they go back into style. 8)
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Abby- I don't like the discussion of politics or religion in the service industry. Those are two very divisive topics that will lose you customers. For instance, I could have looked past your rebel flag but once you confirmed your political views you lost out on me, as a paying customer. Just my opinion man (stoner accent).
Just to clarify, I do not bring up those subjects in person (one on one); if a client wants to talk about such subjects (which they do quite frequently), I will be respectful and listen with interest while being careful to avoid any adversarial comments/questions on my behalf. Duh, I do realize there is a time and a place for certain things! But on here, I really thought it would be OK, especially when I read comments made by the mongers that they would really like for the working girls to engage more in "topic" conversations vs. only posting "come see me" advertisements. Apparently, not everyone is as open-minded as I am in simply accepting the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your opinions but that doesn't mean that you cannot co-exist and get along for the most part. Just out of curiosity, are all of your friends/family members/etc. in total agreement with all of your opinions? I know mine aren't, but that doesn't make them have any less significance in my life.
Did I loose you as a paying customer simply because I "dared" to even discuss some of my political views or that my political views are very different from yours? I would really like to know. I had a really good friend (passed away from cancer a couple of years ago) who had a totally opposite view point than mine concerning unions but that did not affect our friendship in the least! We basically agreed to disagree! I think that shows just how important our friendship was to the both of us and I miss them terribly! I think about all of the things in life we would have missed out on if either one of us had rejected the other's friendship just simply based on a difference of opinion.
Smart woman.
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On this board, I so often see a focus on spending the least amount of money possible. While this may be a natural response when buying a product, I believe you are often missing a very important thing: You get what you pay for.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
Assuming you negotiate a girl's minimum party, you are likely to experience that girl's minimum amount of time, attention, and affection. If you go beyond the minimum price range, the girl should (and likely will) go beyond your expectations as well.
I am not referring to pricing between girl to girl. Yes, sometimes girl B will give a better party than girl A for less money. What I am referring to is the fact that, even in this case, girl B does not give the same party to you that she will give to somebody who paid more or somebody who paid less!
All parties are different. Stop focusing on spending as little as you can and start focusing on having a good time. You'll thank me for it later.
Well, this thread has been all over the place. Funny how a follow-up post suggesting doubling your fun by doubling your offer so quickly reverts into the standard “your prices are too high” flame war. Par for the course here though, I guess.
In any case, here is a Dog Tale for y'alls amusement:
One time I got the idea to play a round of golf for my pleasure. I had heard about Pebble Beach so I went down to see what I could find. The guy at the counter said yes, they had an opening for me, and a round would be $500. I said ok, fine, I think that would be doable for me. Then I got to thinking. Five hundred dollars is actually kind of a lot of money for me, and I wanted to make sure I had a really good time with my round of golf. So I said to the guy, “Will you take a thousand?” He looked at me, a bit perplexed. “Is there another party in your party?” he asked. “No, just me,” I replied, “I want to have a really good time”. “Well, perhaps you would like to book another round again tomorrow for that?” “No, just today.” We finally settled on allowing me to play two balls for each hole.
Just before I laid my money down, I got to thinking again. “Wait a minute,” I asked the guy, “Isn’t there a muni course just down the road, where I can play for like seventy-five bucks?” “Yes sir,” he replied, starting to sound a bit annoyed, “but they are not Pebble Beach. You won’t get the Pebble Beach Experience.” “Yes, sure,” I persisted, “but don’t they also have eighteen holes there; don’t they also have tees and greens and fairways? All for a much lower price? Why the difference? Are the greens greener here; the fairways fairer?” By this time the guy is looking at me with total contempt. “Why don’t you just go play the muni course then,” he snapped. So I did. Took my money back off the table, and headed out the door. “You get what you pay for!” I could hear him admonish as I exited the premises. But I headed on down the road and paid my seventy-five bucks, and ended up enjoying spectacular ocean vistas, and shooting a 266 at the muni course. Even had enough dough left over for a couple of beers on the 19th hole.
Who knows. Maybe if I’d a paid the thousand bucks for that "Pebble Beach Experience", I could’ve got that down to maybe like the low 180’s? Or even lower, if I threw down another eight, nine hundred for a night in their fancy hotel?
Oh, and btw, in LPIN, I always spend as much as I can. Unfortunately, as much as I can just isn't very much.
:)
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Actually, your analogy is off.
A better golf analogy to illustrate my point would be:
18 holes and golf cart use-X amount
18 holes-x amount
9 holes and golf cart-x amount
9 holes- x amount
Get it now? You can play golf for multiple prices but they don't all involve the same thing. ::)
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On this board, I so often see a focus on spending the least amount of money possible. While this may be a natural response when buying a product, I believe you are often missing a very important thing: You get what you pay for.
While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.
Assuming you negotiate a girl's minimum party, you are likely to experience that girl's minimum amount of time, attention, and affection. If you go beyond the minimum price range, the girl should (and likely will) go beyond your expectations as well.
I am not referring to pricing between girl to girl. Yes, sometimes girl B will give a better party than girl A for less money. What I am referring to is the fact that, even in this case, girl B does not give the same party to you that she will give to somebody who paid more or somebody who paid less!
All parties are different. Stop focusing on spending as little as you can and start focusing on having a good time. You'll thank me for it later.
Well, this thread has been all over the place. Funny how a follow-up post suggesting doubling your fun by doubling your offer so quickly reverts into the standard “your prices are too high” flame war. Par for the course here though, I guess.
In any case, here is a Dog Tale for y'alls amusement:
One time I got the idea to play a round of golf for my pleasure. I had heard about Pebble Beach so I went down to see what I could find. The guy at the counter said yes, they had an opening for me, and a round would be $500. I said ok, fine, I think that would be doable for me. Then I got to thinking. Five hundred dollars is actually kind of a lot of money for me, and I wanted to make sure I had a really good time with my round of golf. So I said to the guy, “Will you take a thousand?” He looked at me, a bit perplexed. “Is there another party in your party?” he asked. “No, just me,” I replied, “I want to have a really good time”. “Well, perhaps you would like to book another round again tomorrow for that?” “No, just today.” We finally settled on allowing me to play two balls for each hole.
Just before I laid my money down, I got to thinking again. “Wait a minute,” I asked the guy, “Isn’t there a muni course just down the road, where I can play for like seventy-five bucks?” “Yes sir,” he replied, starting to sound a bit annoyed, “but they are not Pebble Beach. You won’t get the Pebble Beach Experience.” “Yes, sure,” I persisted, “but don’t they also have eighteen holes there; don’t they also have tees and greens and fairways? All for a much lower price? Why the difference? Are the greens greener here; the fairways fairer?” By this time the guy is looking at me with total contempt. “Why don’t you just go play the muni course then,” he snapped. So I did. Took my money back off the table, and headed out the door. “You get what you pay for!” I could hear him admonish as I exited the premises. But I headed on down the road and paid my seventy-five bucks, and ended up enjoying spectacular ocean vistas, and shooting a 266 at the muni course. Even had enough dough left over for a couple of beers on the 19th hole.
Who knows. Maybe if I’d a paid the thousand bucks for that "Pebble Beach Experience", I could’ve got that down to maybe like the low 180’s? Or even lower, if I threw down another eight, nine hundred for a night in their fancy hotel?
Oh, and btw, in LPIN, I always spend as much as I can. Unfortunately, as much as I can just isn't very much.
:)
I liked your dog tale.
Agreed with it until i saw Rihiannas reply.
She could've also used the following options for golf:
-18 hole golf with carry bags on deadly looking course
-18 hole golf with hand cart on deadly looking course
-18 hole golf with electric cart on burnt out deadly looking course
-18 hole golf course on beautiful course carrying bag
-18 hole golf course on beautiful course with hand cart
-18 hole golf course on beautiful course with electric cart
or
-18 hole golf course on beautiful course with electric cart and unlimited sex on every hole.
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LOL at doubling my offer after agreeing on a party.
My guess is she would say "put that back in your pocket and come see me again tomorrow" lol.
Overall, a pretty good new thread on an old topic.
In my experience though, I can find absolutely NO correlation between price paid and quality of party. I have some theories on why it's almost the opposite.
Leash
Walk if the lady and price aren't to your liking
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Great post leash.
Its all pretty simple isn't it? Its the ladies body and she can ask for how ever much she wants for us to play together. I have the money in my wallet and if I don't like her price I can keep the money in my wallet.
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I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult.
Why sure! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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It's a brothel, loyalty to ladies isn't a must, why keep having sex with the same lady, guys would just fuck their wives' if that's the case...?
Some guys don't have wives or girlfriends. They don't just go to brothels for a good pipe-cleaning. They are not there for straight fucking. Their fantasies include finding a girl they can share intimacy with.
Intimacy, real relationships, shared history can all be found in a brothel and all can be developed by seeing the same girl repeatedly. (once you have found a good match, of course)
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Rihanna,
Are you still active, or retired from lpin?
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Rihanna,
Are you still active, or retired from lpin?
Neither. While I will not be back in the immediate future, I do fully intend to be back at some point in my life. Right now I just have other priorities. But I truly enjoyed my time in LPIN!
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Basically, it comes down to finding a lady who does what you're after for the price you'd like to pay. Some girls will do more for someone who pays more, some will just extend the time. As long as you're getting what you want for what you're looking to pay, it really doesn't matter what she is doing for the next guy who may or may not pay more. If you feel you've been short changed by girl A, try other girls until you find a good match for your desires verses budget.
Everyone is an individual and just like any other male / female relationship, takes a few tries to find the best match even in LPIN.
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It's a brothel, loyalty to ladies isn't a must, why keep having sex with the same lady, guys would just fuck their wives' if that's the case...?
Some guys don't have wives or girlfriends. They don't just go to brothels for a good pipe-cleaning. They are not there for straight fucking. Their fantasies include finding a girl they can share intimacy with.
Intimacy, real relationships, shared history can all be found in a brothel and all can be developed by seeing the same girl repeatedly. (once you have found a good match, of course)
BULLSHIT!! How in the hell can it be real if it comes about because of money and as soon as the feller stops paying money, it ends? That's no kind of a "REAL" relationship and if you want to blow smoke up everyone's as and make them think it's real, be my guest but some of us know better!! >:(
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It's a brothel, loyalty to ladies isn't a must, why keep having sex with the same lady, guys would just fuck their wives' if that's the case...?
Some guys don't have wives or girlfriends. They don't just go to brothels for a good pipe-cleaning. They are not there for straight fucking. Their fantasies include finding a girl they can share intimacy with.
Intimacy, real relationships, shared history can all be found in a brothel and all can be developed by seeing the same girl repeatedly. (once you have found a good match, of course)
BULLSHIT!! How in the hell can it be real if it comes about because of money and as soon as the feller stops paying money, it ends? That's no kind of a "REAL" relationship and if you want to blow smoke up everyone's as and make them think it's real, be my guest but some of us know better!! >:(
I don't think she was necessarily referring to boyfriend-girlfriend relationships, because she certainly didn't specify that.
Other relationships, like friendships, can certainly be formed even with money involved. For instance, I pay my hairdresser to do my hair but I still consider her a friend. In the same way, clients who come to see me repeatedly or who I spend a long time with can also become my friends.
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It's a brothel, loyalty to ladies isn't a must, why keep having sex with the same lady, guys would just fuck their wives' if that's the case...?
Some guys don't have wives or girlfriends. They don't just go to brothels for a good pipe-cleaning. They are not there for straight fucking. Their fantasies include finding a girl they can share intimacy with.
Intimacy, real relationships, shared history can all be found in a brothel and all can be developed by seeing the same girl repeatedly. (once you have found a good match, of course)
BULLSHIT!! How in the hell can it be real if it comes about because of money and as soon as the feller stops paying money, it ends? That's no kind of a "REAL" relationship and if you want to blow smoke up everyone's as and make them think it's real, be my guest but some of us know better!! >:(
:)....if you only knew.
I do know that about 98% of the time, it's just like that old Lefty Frizzell record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2x0fMszj58
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I've always been one to say " Quality over Quantity" This does not by any means mean I am going to give you a shitty party because of a lower price compared to a big price. I have been in the adult/sex industry because I have fun and I enjoy giving and having sex. The money is great yes but what's the point of doing this if you don't really really enjoy it? However, you take care of me I take care of you. In other words regardless of the price we agree on you are still taking care of me in some way so in some way in return I will be taking care of you. That does not mean come insult my intelligence with an insulting low low dollar amount either. The type of party does depend on the price (this is me personally) and how I take care of you, but that does NOT mean your getting a shitty party if your party price is smaller. Activities will just vary. I will always have the same fun attitude and enjoy whatever type party it is and do everything to make sure you are as well!
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WHo and how she performs can be a very telling aspect about a lady. One of the all time greats, Mardie, started out humble but almighty. She was a one woman tour de force brothel staff in herself. Whether she did a quicky or a long date, she gave her best. I booked her based on reviews. When we chatted during activity lull in our party she explained that her price was not a la carte but all inclusive per her dos and don'ts. Mardie had gents lined up in the parlor consistently. SHe was a hard and tireless and highly skilled and erotic entertainer/performer than gained her legions of patrons. Mardie was outstanding and singular in her customer devotion and earned intense customer loyalty.
The old school Joe Conforte Mustang girls were awesome professionals. They were turned out to do all types of parites and do them well at all price points. I could walk in on a Friday night at 11pm and all three shifts overlapped. There would be 40-50 ladies in some lineups.
I knew in my mind that every lady would do a house minimum up to extravagant type stuff...and everyone was affordable. Eveeryone. THat type of knowledge saw armies of guys booking all night long.
I shared these anecdotes to give you a frame of reference of what LPIN once was on a more general basis. Your current frame of reference is far different. As a long time patron of the adult service industry I learned that price more often than not does not have any bearing on quality. I learned this through trial and error. Each price point should be done with professionalism and conviction. A good deal puts a smile on the lady and the client's face. Otherwise its just a one and done. Amen
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LOL at doubling my offer after agreeing on a party.
My guess is she would say "put that back in your pocket and come see me again tomorrow" lol.
Overall, a pretty good new thread on an old topic.
In my experience though, I can find absolutely NO correlation between price paid and quality of party. I have some theories on why it's almost the opposite.
Leash
Dog...you old rat bastard KSF and Pete Townsend lookalike...lol. You are a local legend and not among most guys but a legion of ladies. I have had the regrettable experience of booking someone after you banged her silly. They can't think straight after the Dog wags his tail....lol. You old KSF!
Locals don't pay an arm and a leg. they pay and play and go away and come back happy for another day. When Leash comes down off the mountain women get wetter cuz they get laid better. They accept whatever this dude has to pay cuz they wanna play. Only a few will have knowing smiles after reading this thread. Happy Ho-lidays bro!
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Dang you Fly hit a super long homerun.
That pargarph about the ORGINAL MUSTANG AT E-23 and how the ladies starting there got some kind of special instruction in being good working women. Even in lineups at other places they stood out in how they'd present themself and then dealt with customers. Its very sad that now as nearly none can be found still working and the newer ladies beginning can't benefit from their skills to instruction. A big salute to all the ladies who pasted through the doors of E-23 mustang.
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lol Fly, thanks for the laugh ;D ;D ;D Happy Ho-down Ho-lidays to you too man.
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IMHO I Agee with the find a few Atfs idea. One of the
Reasons I don't house boune much is because the ladies
At the houses I go to know what my range is. I like to repeat
and have found that in a first party I offer my average price for
what I normally pay in that house and try to stay with that. Sometimes
It might fluctuate slightly but not to much from the lady and I "normal" price
Bottom line IMHO ladies that meet my needs for time,activity etc and
Understand that I am a regular working class guy are the ones I party with.
An interesting question I ask sometimes in price debates
Client A spends $5000 one time and leaves you never see him
Again no review is written etc
Client B spends $500 per party but is a loyal regular who sees
you 10 times a year ($5000 total) but writes glowing reviews after
Each party, recommends you to others etc.
Now obviously client A gets more time etc but actually client B ends
Up with more time and activity
The lady can choose 1 either client A or client B IMHO most ladies would
Choose client B
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All parties may be different given by some vary. But in general most parties will be the same. These girls know that.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
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That is exactly why you pay everyone the same. No problem.
But each lady is different...
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
Paying them all the same does not guarantee you no problems. It just adds to thr profile the girls already have on you. Every guy that goes to the same brothel over and over again is profiled rather you pay 300 or 3K some ladies will be comfortable with whatever rate you pay some will not. No matter what you pay what you get for what you pay will vary from girl to girl. Paying them all the same may minimize problems or bruised egos. But it does not guarantee you no problems. If for no other reason in that every girl is different & some are going to want more for their services & time then others. That is just the way it is. That is never going to change.
That is exactly why you pay everyone the same. No problem.
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LOL at doubling my offer after agreeing on a party.
My guess is she would say "put that back in your pocket and come see me again tomorrow" lol.
Overall, a pretty good new thread on an old topic.
In my experience though, I can find absolutely NO correlation between price paid and quality of party. I have some theories on why it's almost the opposite.
Leash
Dog...you old rat bastard KSF and Pete Townsend lookalike...lol. You are a local legend and not among most guys but a legion of ladies. I have had the regrettable experience of booking someone after you banged her silly. They can't think straight after the Dog wags his tail....lol. You old KSF!
Locals don't pay an arm and a leg. they pay and play and go away and come back happy for another day. When Leash comes down off the mountain women get wetter cuz they get laid better. They accept whatever this dude has to pay cuz they wanna play. Only a few will have knowing smiles after reading this thread. Happy Ho-lidays bro!
While they might pay and play, it's no longer at the brothels. I know a couple people who live in Nevada who I worked with and they both said they just got tired of playing games in order to get a decent price and have moved on from the brothels. A cab driver I ran into who use to be the bar manager at the original mustang ranch (exit 23) pretty much said the same thing. He was waiting for customers at the Sands which tells you how bad it is if he's not out trying to hustle some of the brothel business and get the Kelly Fares.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
Maybe you paid $900 to one lady because you felt her services went above and beyond or you really thought she was great at your party. I would be turned off if a lady said you paid $900 for some other lady and you only offered me $750. That would be like a guy saying I paid $600 for a lady and then ask a different lady to go with that rate as well if she price pointed a higher rate. I like to go into each negotiation with a clean slate and hope the lady does as well. I just go into each negotiation and say here is what I can afford and what can you offer at this price. There are many reasons why a guy paid $1000 at one time and $500 another time maybe has less money the second trip. Through my experiences there would be many ladies who would not think twice and give you good time at the rate you offered, besides you are talking $150 more and if you split it in half it is $75, maybe you would get the lady at $750 a gift or tip her afterwards. Just my 2 cents.
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Two things:
1. Who says girls don't want you to post prices? This might be true for some ladies but definitely not all of them. Definitely not me. I don't give a shit if someone posts prices because:
-A large percentage of posted prices are lies anyway, so who cares what people claim they paid?
-The price varies so much based on each individual person and each individual party. . .so why would someone think another client's price applied to them?
2. Some ladies are offended when you pay one lady more than them because they feel you are saying they are worth less than the other lady. I've never cared what a client paid another lady because I don't care. ;D
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Two things:
1. Who says girls don't want you to post prices? This might be true for some ladies but definitely not all of them. Definitely not me. I don't give a shit if someone posts prices because:
-A large percentage of posted prices are lies anyway, so who cares what people claim they paid?
-The price varies so much based on each individual person and each individual party. . .so why would someone think another client's price applied to them?
2. Some ladies are offended when you pay one lady more than them because they feel you are saying they are worth less than the other lady. I've never cared what a client paid another lady because I don't care. ;D
A lot of ladies would always tell me after we just comleted a party with them not to say what I paid them. One lady said it would make it harder to charge what she wanted at the moment rather it be more or less if her prices were posted. I ran into a lot of ladies over the years that felt this way.
As fir your 2nd point. I agree with you on that one & can't argue with your logic on that. 8)
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If you party with a lady and she'd prefer you not post the price you paid and she tells you this, then it's probably courteous not to do so. B
But don't assume that ALL ladies care whether or not you post prices. If you want to be a gentleman, leave it up to each individual girl.
I personally don't think it matters for the reasons I listed above. 8)
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If you party with a lady and she'd prefer you not post the price you paid and she tells you this, then it's probably courteous not to do so. B
But don't assume that ALL ladies care whether or not you post prices. If you want to be a gentleman, leave it up to each individual girl.
I personally don't think it matters for the reasons I listed above. 8)
I learned a long time ago never assume a damn thing about anything ever, and that goes at the very least triple for anything related to the brothel game. ;D ;D ;D
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I've always been one to say " Quality over Quantity" This does not by any means mean I am going to give you a shitty party because of a lower price compared to a big price. I have been in the adult/sex industry because I have fun and I enjoy giving and having sex. The money is great yes but what's the point of doing this if you don't really really enjoy it? However, you take care of me I take care of you. In other words regardless of the price we agree on you are still taking care of me in some way so in some way in return I will be taking care of you. That does not mean come insult my intelligence with an insulting low low dollar amount either. The type of party does depend on the price (this is me personally) and how I take care of you, but that does NOT mean your getting a shitty party if your party price is smaller. Activities will just vary. I will always have the same fun attitude and enjoy whatever type party it is and do everything to make sure you are as well!
Ivy Mae
FANTASTIC POST!
And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
Welcome to the board Monty Haul. LOL, "the girls talk to other girls about what we pay at the ranches". Sure some ladies do discuss clients' prices paid. Being firm on your offered prices and having the ability to justify your price walks. THAT'S OUTSTANDING LOGIC!
Cobia has a system that works for him. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Read here Cobia has several favorite ladies at the MR. By my own visits at the MR have met several of his favorite ladies who are friendly with me, and my guess is Cobia's favorites do get along with one another.
QTo's quote, "But each lady is different". True as no two ladies in LPIN are alike. The ladies in LPIN are different by their experience, reputation, personality, looks, and specialization in types of parties and activities offered (which can vary client to client).
Agree Ironman never assume anything. Knowing how to play the game of LPIN is a key.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
That is exactly why you pay everyone the same. No problem.
Sorry. But each girl with her services and time are different. Not trying to come down on you. That might work for you since you always go to the same ranch and stay there full time (almost 24/7) for nearly a week. I do not know what you pay the girls at the Mustang Ranch. But of course you are going to get better deals that is more like a flat rate there, since you are staying there and seeing the girls that whole week that you are practically living out there at the ranch. Like you said no problem with that.
If I had the time and could stay a whole week at the same ranch, I would probably be paying the same rate that you are doing. But I am a hobbier that goes to different ranches at different times and see different women for different and various things.
Normally it is no problem for me on what I do. I do not mind paying different prices to the girls. Most of the ladies do not have a problem accepting what price I offer them. Over the last nine years the system I use works for me. We both have different offering methods that works well for each of us.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
Welcome to the board Monty Haul. LOL, "the girls talk to other girls about what we pay at the ranches". Sure some ladies do discuss clients' prices paid. Being firm on your offered prices and having the ability to justify your price walks. THAT'S OUTSTANDING LOGIC!
COH
I am not new to the forum. I got the boot on the forum (as one of the moderators said that it was probably an automatically purged). So, I had to re-register on the forum again.
Every now and then there are a few bad apples that has to spoil a good thing when it comes around. That is why I will walk away with my money and see another girl.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
That is exactly why you pay everyone the same. No problem.
Different parties can mean different prices as well.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
That is exactly why you pay everyone the same. No problem.
Different parties can mean different prices as well.
True but if you are getting the same type of party from several different ladies it simplifies things by keeping the price the same. If one lady absolutely knocks your socks off that's where a tip comes in.
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And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
That is exactly why you pay everyone the same. No problem.
Different parties can mean different prices as well.
True but if you are getting the same type of party from several different ladies it simplifies things by keeping the price the same. If one lady absolutely knocks your socks off that's where a tip comes in.
Absolutely but that's your choice to keep partying with that lady or experience what the next lady has to offer which can very well knock your socks off even more.
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I could stay with any 1 of my ATF's my entire vacation and be happy.
I'd agree, but unfortunately ATF's retire. So in addition to partying with my ATFs, I'm always on the lookout for whom may become my next ATF.
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I could stay with any 1 of my ATF's my entire vacation and be happy.
I'd agree, but unfortunately ATF's retire. So in addition to partying with my ATFs, I'm always on the lookout for whom may become my next ATF.
Absolutely but I'm not going to pay a lady I never partied with more than I pay my ATF's.
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I try and pay everyone the same especially for a first party. One we've partied several times it might fluctuate a little but not much. Sometimes a lucky run in the casino has me give an ATF more than usual but I tell her that in the negotiation stage (ex: hey I kicked the poker tables ass last night so heres an extra 200) but with ATFs it becomes more of an expected price and I do pretty much the same activity etc so pretty easy once I get to know the lady. For the record I have never had the " but you paid her this much" argument guess I've been lucky
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I've always been one to say " Quality over Quantity" This does not by any means mean I am going to give you a shitty party because of a lower price compared to a big price. I have been in the adult/sex industry because I have fun and I enjoy giving and having sex. The money is great yes but what's the point of doing this if you don't really really enjoy it? However, you take care of me I take care of you. In other words regardless of the price we agree on you are still taking care of me in some way so in some way in return I will be taking care of you. That does not mean come insult my intelligence with an insulting low low dollar amount either. The type of party does depend on the price (this is me personally) and how I take care of you, but that does NOT mean your getting a shitty party if your party price is smaller. Activities will just vary. I will always have the same fun attitude and enjoy whatever type party it is and do everything to make sure you are as well!
Ivy Mae
FANTASTIC POST!
And another thing. Why do these girls say that we should not talk about prices on a public forum. I thought there was no rule about it.
They don't want us to talk about it on here, but believe it or not, the girls talk to other girls about the prices of what we pay at the ranches. What gets me is when a few girls say each girl charge her own price (okay, I am fine with that). Then later, you hear some girls saying they want the same amount of what you paid the other girl you partied with before her.
Last year at the Mustang I partied with a girl for a hour for $900. I went back two night later, that girl was busy, so I picked another girl for a hour, I offered her $750 she said "why are you offering me $750 when you paid $900 for the party with that other girl". I ended up partying with another girl for $800 that did not hassle me.
OR better yet, this happen back in October at the Bunnyranch I offer $1,000 to this girl and she tells me that she remember me from three weeks ago buying plenty of drinks for other girls and that I paid $1,200 to her friend and she wants the same amount what I paid her friend. I am guessing what that girl did know there were some extra things involve in that $1,200 dollars. Needless to say I did not party with any of the Bunnyranch girls, I ended up partying at the Love Ranch North for $950 and the Sagebrush Ranch for $800 that evening.
Now how in the world of LPIN are these girls knowing what people are paying certain girls? It is very simple.
The girls are talking to other girls at the ranches about our prices ! But, the girls at the ranches do not want you talking about their prices. That really sounds very one sided to me.
Welcome to the board Monty Haul. LOL, "the girls talk to other girls about what we pay at the ranches". Sure some ladies do discuss clients' prices paid. Being firm on your offered prices and having the ability to justify your price walks. THAT'S OUTSTANDING LOGIC!
Cobia has a system that works for him. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Read here Cobia has several favorite ladies at the MR. By my own visits at the MR have met several of his favorite ladies who are friendly with me, and my guess is Cobia's favorites do get along with one another.
QTo's quote, "But each lady is different". True as no two ladies in LPIN are alike. The ladies in LPIN are different by their experience, reputation, personality, looks, and specialization in types of parties and activities offered (which can vary client to client).
Agree Ironman never assume anything. Knowing how to play the game of LPIN is a key.
Thank you COH. I'm truly just being honest!