Brothel Prices

[dyanadyamonds]

For me, its customer service before, during & after the party. I learned its better to say yes than to say no. That works for me. Xoxo. Dyana Dyamonds.

[COH]

QTo thank you for the clarification, Abby sorry for the confusion. The "Hikingguy" is definitely more knowledgable then myself. But I do agree with your posts.

Rihanna no one is telling you how to market yourself or what price you should charge. You are more then welcome to charge the rate you feel welcome  toand it seems like you are doing well.

I did have an incident recently where a lady told me the price I quoted her no lady in the house would accept. It was not $100, more like between $600-700, I did say to her I have paid that before in the house she was working in currently, However, she refuse and I was 100% ok. She refused to work with my rate. I never would say that another house but if it is the same house then I might say something. I thought she was doing a disservice not only to the house but to other ladies working there who might accept the rate.
Anyways the manager was not ok to hear that I was walked and I was able to find another lady who did work with my range. Maybe the lady I partied with needed money badly or she was new or she was just wanting to relieve boredom who knows.
I would hope most ladies would try on a failed negotiation to introduce the guy to a new lady who might be in the range he is asking, would you do that and help a fellow LPIN? What if the roles were reversed and another LPIN had a failed negotiation closer to your rate would you hope that the lady introduces him to you? Just curious.

While prices vary from girl to girl, one thing remains constant: No girl gives the same party for 1X amount that she does for 10x amount.

If you mean on whether a guy gets a bungalow or all nighter yes you are right as the price does dictate that. If you mean on effort and interest I would disagree and I am sure some ladies would too.

This is an interesting quote, "I did have an incident recently where a lady told me the price I quoted her no lady in the house would accept".  In a few of my previously negotiations have heard a lady say something similar to this phrase, "NO (OTHER) LADY IN THE HOUSE WOULD ACCEPT (YOUR OFFER)".  So why does certain ladies in LPIN say something like this phrase?  Here's my logic for reasoning:  First, this phrase could determine if the potential client is new or experienced to LPIN.  If the potential client starts questioning this phrase the lady likely could tell the potential client isn't new to LPIN.  Second, the lady may not be interested in a party with the potential client.  Third, stating this phrase could give the lady the upper hand in negotiations, and attempting to maximize her cost for the party.  Fourth, which works in conjunction with the third, she could be trying to limit the potential client to only negotiating with her.  In other words no other options but her.  Where's Tapper (LOL)?

[readytoparty]

I have worked with ladies (not here at LRV, but elsewhere) that have done that exact same thing and that makes me so angry and more so when management is aware of them doing it and not doing anything about it.  Statements like that do hurt the house and the other ladies working there.  Why some say that, I have no idea, it makes no sense, especially when the client bolts out the door without even trying to negotiate with another lady.  She didn't book the party, no one else got the opportunity to book a party and the client left without a party, everyone came out a loser, so what was the point of that statement in the first place?!  Then to beat all, some of these ladies will turn right around and do it again, really, what did you not learn from the time(s) before?!. 
So, everybody reading this please keep in mind:  We are all Independent Contractors with our own prices!  Not all of us have the "golden pussy" syndrome and fully understand that the majority of clients are "playing" within a certain set budget.  In my opinion, that's just being responsible!

[SIDEWINDER]

4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.


In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.


since prices can't be posted.




yes they can The shadylady did it for years .. inez is still doing it..

Haven't the "negotiation brothels" brought this on themselves? That is guys trying to get women to change their prices because the guys know that most negotiation brothel women start out at 3-5 times more of what they actually get? It would seem to me, if "negotiation" brothel women do not want men trying to get them to lower their prices, they too should stop playing the price game and state what they'll actually accept right off the bat instead of seeing if they can catch a whale or naïve customer.

[pitasandwichpimp]

Stages of brothel existence:

Open with one of numerous formats

Chosen format doesn't work

Attempt so called "Creative options" which are nothing more than 'circus' show antics (transsexuals, men, etc.).

Transition to fixed price brothel;

"Downsize" said brothel.

Go out of business


I may have missed a few steps, but the MOST PROVEN model of running a successful brothel are Hoff and Mustang. 

No other formula out there.

[RihannaLovely]

4. Hikingguy, my comments were definitely not directed at guys with your mentality. Guys with your mentality are fine. (Since prices can't be posted, there's no way of you to know whether something is in your budget until you approach the lady.) What's NOT cool is when guys try to convince ladies they should change their prices because they are able to get something from someone else somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with politely declining an offer that's out of your budget.


In closing, there is nothing wrong with paying little money for little parties. BUT that's not your only option.


since prices can't be posted.




yes they can The shadylady did it for years .. inez is still doing it..

Haven't the "negotiation brothels" brought this on themselves? That is guys trying to get women to change their prices because the guys know that most negotiation brothel women start out at 3-5 times more of what they actually get? It would seem to me, if "negotiation" brothel women do not want men trying to get them to lower their prices, they too should stop playing the price game and state what they'll actually accept right off the bat instead of seeing if they can catch a whale or naïve customer.

  

I think this post just displays an extreme lack of understanding of the original point in this thread. Not all parties are made the same.

If a girl offers you a high quote for "Party A" and you can't afford or don't want to pay for "Party A", the girl may instead give you "Party B" for a price you can afford.

In the end, you accept "Party B", but that doesn't mean she was misleading you about the price of "Party A". 

[RihannaLovely]

I also want to add that it's pretty twisted logic to think the ladies are "preying upon" the naivety of a "whale". If by "whale", you mean wealthy customer, think it through for a second. Unless the wealthy customer inherited his money, in all likelihood he is a very intelligent man for having earned his wealth. THESE customers are smart enough to understand that they are paying for what they want to get and if they wanted to pay less, they would get a less-inclusive party.

[QTo]

Haven't the "negotiation brothels" brought this on themselves? That is guys trying to get women to change their prices because the guys know that most negotiation brothel women start out at 3-5 times more of what they actually get? It would seem to me, if "negotiation" brothel women do not want men trying to get them to lower their prices, they too should stop playing the price game and state what they'll actually accept right off the bat instead of seeing if they can catch a whale or naïve customer.

Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".

[SIDEWINDER]

I also want to add that it's pretty twisted logic to think the ladies are "preying upon" the naivety of a "whale". If by "whale", you mean wealthy customer, think it through for a second. Unless the wealthy customer inherited his money, in all likelihood he is a very intelligent man for having earned his wealth. THESE customers are smart enough to understand that they are paying for what they want to get and if they wanted to pay less, they would get a less-inclusive party.

It's not logic. It's the truth. In over 30 years of going to the brothels before retiring from the brothels, I saw too many women who would size up a man's wallet at the bar or the way he was dressed trying to figure out how much she could get from him. Also such questions as what he does for a living of if he's having any luck in the casinos right down to the make of his watch.
At one time I challenged all negotiation brothel owners to post signs in their parlor letting customers know exactly how negotiations work and not one would do it. Whattttt? Let the customers know how things work and miss out on naïve customers. Even the negotiation system is set up to maximize income from each customer. Oh and let's not forget the women who no longer want to do small parties as it takes them off the floor in case a whale would swim by or a naïve customer who just fell off the turnip truck stopped by.

[RihannaLovely]

I also want to add that it's pretty twisted logic to think the ladies are "preying upon" the naivety of a "whale". If by "whale", you mean wealthy customer, think it through for a second. Unless the wealthy customer inherited his money, in all likelihood he is a very intelligent man for having earned his wealth. THESE customers are smart enough to understand that they are paying for what they want to get and if they wanted to pay less, they would get a less-inclusive party.

It's not logic. It's the truth. In over 30 years of going to the brothels before retiring from the brothels,

You've obviously developed some very incorrect, inaccurate, and strange views in your 30 years of visiting brothels. 

I saw too many women who would size up a man's wallet at the bar or the way he was dressed trying to figure out how much she could get from him.

First of all, this is a strange thought because often the best dressed men are willing to spend the least money. I was taught immediately by many ladies that you can never tell how much a customer is willing to spend based on their outward appearance. Typically, blue-collar people are the most generous in ANY service industry. (Not just LPIN) So your logic here, to be frank, is bullshit! 

Second of all, that doesn't negate the fact (the TRUTH) that most women would not simply charge the "whale" 3 times her "normal rate". She would offer the whale a party that was WORTH 3 times her normal rate. The "whale" doesn't pay 3 times the normal rate for a party. . .he gets a party that's worth 3 times the "normal rate". Get it?

At one time I challenged all negotiation brothel owners to post signs in their parlor letting customers know exactly how negotiations work and not one would do it. Whattttt? Let the customers know how things work and miss out on naïve customers.

Maybe because this is tacky? And they didn't want some wacky  customer with twisted views dictating the way they do things at their establishment?  Just a guess!

That doesn't mean they are seeking "naive" customers. I think almost all customers, ESPECIALLY the whales you speak of, know they're in a negotiation when they're in one.  Besides, all girls run their negotiations differently.

Even the negotiation system is set up to maximize income from each customer.

I don't think this is accurate. I think it's set up the way it is because:
-Every girl is different
-Every party is different
-Every customer is different

Oh and let's not forget the women who no longer want to do small parties as it takes them off the floor in case a whale would swim by or a naïve customer who just fell off the turnip truck stopped by.

Any time I have been disinterested in taking small parties, it has been the result of pure laziness on my part. No ulterior motives. I didn't get that way normally, but we are all human.

Most times, girls work with all budgets and will try to offer you SOME TYPE of party for the money you are offering.


In closing, you've developed lunatic, cynical views of situations that are not as you perceive them to be. 

Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".

I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.

[QTo]

Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".

I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.

And that is why many of my negotiations go so long (if I don't give up early and walk). Ladies simply come in with a view of, "I'm not partying (let's say a half-and-half party) for less than 4 figures". Not only do I need to negotiate a price, I need to change a lady's mindset of some "arbitrary" floor of value (likely put in place by the brothel management and/or herself and/or other ladies suggestions)

[RihannaLovely]

Agreed, since it is a negotiations, ladies should be prepared to get offers and final parties above AND below their "norm".

I was prepared to get offers below my "norm", but not necessarily prepared to take them. I was more apt to negotiate activities than negotiate money.

And that is why many of my negotiations go so long (if I don't give up early and walk). Ladies simply come in with a view of, "I'm not partying (let's say a half-and-half party) for less than 4 figures". Not only do I need to negotiate a price, I need to change a lady's mindset of some "arbitrary" floor of value (likely put in place by the brothel management and/or herself and/or other ladies suggestions)

I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.

[QTo]

I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.

Quite possibly, too bad I don't have unlimited funds to test out this theory.

[Lecher]

I think you in particular would benefit from being less difficult. As Sonja said earlier, it's a problem when you pit yourself against the girl as an adversary. You don't necessarily have to raise your brothel budget to focus more on having fun and less on manipulating the women.

Why are you at this day after day?  You said you do well on your trips so what is your motive?

Long gone are the days of swindling a naive virgin for thousands of dollars just for a peepee touch.  In this information age, any newbie is going to Google "nevada brothel prices" at least ten times before their trip.  It's just reality.

[QTo]

You may be right, but it's tough to compare what a lady would do for 10X vs. 1X unless you have experienced both with the same lady. It is much tougher to get a lady to drop down to 1X after partying with her for 10X, hence it is probably better to start at 1X and if the 1X party is MUCH better than the average 1X party (or average 10X party for that matter), then one would be more inclined to spend 10X.

Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, many ladies' 10X party pale in comparison to the 1X party of other ladies, so how can a lady convince guys to part with 10X right off the bat? If the guy started with 10X parties and only parties at the 10X level, yes the only comparison is within the 10X range, but most active members on this board would probably be more willing to benchmark a lady's performance at the 1X range, and if suitable, then possibly increase their prices for more activities (like a longer party or an outdate - been there, done that)

This is a perfectly fine, good point. This is, actually, how most 10x parties happen. During my time in LPIN, my biggest party started with a small party to get to know me first. . .and then progressed as you described. To overnights and outdates.

It's fine to start with a 1X party to feel things out. It's even ok to only do 1x parties. But don't pay 1x and expect the same thing as someone who is paying 10x!

I guess the disconnect is when discussing the initial 1X party, the lady is only willing to do a HJ, while I need at least a GFE party if the lady wants to be "eligible" for the 10X party.