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Discussions => LPIN Specific Discussion => Topic started by: X1A on May 29, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
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May be a dumb question, but... If you make an appointment with a girl you've never partied with and she wants you to put down a deposit, do you get the deposit back if you don't come to an agreement on price after you get there? If not... It seems kinda foolish to put down a non-refundable deposit when you have no idea if you can afford her.
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I don't know the answer, but Shari's and Mona's don't require deposits to make appointments.
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Your deposit is transferable to another lady within the establishment of things don’t work out. However, if you spend a lot of time messaging over several months it can be a nice gesture to let her have it as a tip. :)
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Your deposit is transferable to another lady within the establishment of things don’t work out. However, if you spend a lot of time messaging over several months it can be a nice gesture to let her have it as a tip. :)
Does every house work that way? I know you worked in Moundhouse so I’m sure that’ll apply there, but what about, say, Chicken Ranch? I know some of the girls ask for deposits there. What would happen if a guy was completely out of his league, and no girl would come to an agreement with him? Could he get his money back?
I’ve always been skeptical on the subject of deposits, I know you replied to a topic about someone asking about how you are supposed to know what a 10% deposit is when you don’t know the amount. From what I remember you gave good advice (as always;)), but I think back to my visit to Sheris. Yes, I know what Jack said about Sheris but it’s a good example. I would have never guessed in a million years that the first girl would not have been willing to go below $4000/hr. I didn’t view her profile until after the visit, but from what I remember her profile was very basic, not a porn star or anything, pics didn’t look that professional, so I would never thought her to be a premium girl. There is absolutely no way a guy like me can somehow negotiate with numbers like that (and remember that was what I talked her down to), so had I made a deposit (if Sheris required them) I would have been dead on arrival. I shouldn’t have had anything to do with that girl to begin with.
Also X1A, at many houses a deposit is something the girl may ask for, it’s not necessarily a requirement of the house.
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A wise monger once said don't make reservations make lists.
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Your deposit is transferable to another lady within the establishment of things don’t work out. However, if you spend a lot of time messaging over several months it can be a nice gesture to let her have it as a tip. :)
Does every house work that way? I know you worked in Moundhouse so I’m sure that’ll apply there, but what about, say, Chicken Ranch? I know some of the girls ask for deposits there. What would happen if a guy was completely out of his league, and no girl would come to an agreement with him? Could he get his money back?
I’ve always been skeptical on the subject of deposits, I know you replied to a topic about someone asking about how you are supposed to know what a 10% deposit is when you don’t know the amount. From what I remember you gave good advice (as always;)), but I think back to my visit to Sheris. Yes, I know what Jack said about Sheris but it’s a good example. I would have never guessed in a million years that the first girl would not have been willing to go below $4000/hr. I didn’t view her profile until after the visit, but from what I remember her profile was very basic, not a porn star or anything, pics didn’t look that professional, so I would never thought her to be a premium girl. There is absolutely no way a guy like me can somehow negotiate with numbers like that (and remember that was what I talked her down to), so had I made a deposit (if Sheris required them) I would have been dead on arrival. I shouldn’t have had anything to do with that girl to begin with.
Also X1A, at many houses a deposit is something the girl may ask for, it’s not necessarily a requirement of the house.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be transferable. If, let’s say, a lady cuts her tour short for an emergency or otherwise becomes unavailable then that would be the standard. I’ve had deposits moved to me that way in the past. :)
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As I have mentioned many times, never before has there been so many communication tools to use to plan your party.
Take advantage of them, few existed with I started visiting brothels 20 years ago.
Most houses now offer email directly with the ladies, as far as deposits if they ask for them learn all you can before committing...like any purchase...know the 'fine print'. Demand good business practices..
Get a number on the party you expect..
Curious who SMRKIA dealt with at Shari's he must remember her name? I have partied there a dozen times since reopening, only one lady quoted me anything like the number he stated. She left the business, her model obviously didn't work for her. He may have got 'screened out' for whatever reason.
Shortly after re-opening I am confident a lady at the CR basically screened me out, ridiculous numbers for the party I requested....no budging ..she too , has left the business.
Since re-opening 26 parties 22 different ladies over 8 houses, > 20 failed negotiations, with a few exceptions my choice..didn't click with the lady during negotiations interview..
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I was just looking at the CR website info on appointments, and it's a little confusing. Sounds like the are encouraging you to make a deposit although it's not required? I would have to call or message them to be certain. Do you have any information about appointments at the CR Claymore.
Question for Smrkia: is the lady who quoted you that high price still working at SR?
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Contacting a girl in advance is not as easy as people make it sound. At least not in my experience. There's no email addresses listed for girls at the Elko houses and I'm lucky if I get a response from 1 out of 3 elsewhere.
As for transferring a deposit, you're still committed and are forced to make a choice with no opportunity to bail without losing money if things don't work out. Blindly committing to an unknown price tag is a little too risky and makes it easy to get scammed. Imagine going to a gas station and not knowing the price of gas until you fill your tank a certain amount. LPIN is the only industry where you can't get a price or even an estimate in advance (for obvious legal reasons), and that makes the idea of non-refundable deposits a turn off (no pun intended).
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Going with cactus jack = 200 %
In short
. Make a list of lady's in your area of visit 👍🏼
Not deposits EVER !
LADYS THAT KNOW YOU WONT ASK !
AND DESOSITS ARE IN THE INEREST AND PROFIT MARGINS OF THE HOUSE AND BROTHEL @ AND NEVER WITH NO EXCEPTIONS IN THE INTEREST OF THE CLIENT * ever *
Respectfully
Mrjewels 😎
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I haven't ever used the deposit systems at any house and if I did I would be absolutely sure of all the details..
I have had appointment's..Zara Zain at the CR and Freya at Shari's, Zara I had partied with her twin sister Zoey twice before so everything was identical..
With Freya I had partied with her before ,so much the same..same price, same party...excellent results...
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Most houses now offer email directly with the ladies...
Don't be surprised if management actually is actually answering the email, if you are using the house URL.
Don't be surprised if management monitors all the emails sent to the house URL.
You have to use the girl's social media account or personal email account if you expect to talk to the girl personally, and privately.
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Contacting a girl in advance is not as easy as people make it sound. At least not in my experience. There's no email addresses listed for girls at the Elko houses and I'm lucky if I get a response from 1 out of 3 elsewhere.
As for transferring a deposit, you're still committed and are forced to make a choice with no opportunity to bail without losing money if things don't work out. Blindly committing to an unknown price tag is a little too risky and makes it easy to get scammed. Imagine going to a gas station and not knowing the price of gas until you fill your tank a certain amount. LPIN is the only industry where you can't get a price or even an estimate in advance (for obvious legal reasons), and that makes the idea of non-refundable deposits a turn off (no pun intended).
Preaching to the choir there, but a couple things,
I’m not sure how many houses require (or allow the girls to require) deposits, I guess Inez’s/Monas and Sheris don’t. Also looked at the booking form for Mustang it says nothing about a deposit. Guess it must be a thing with Moundhouse and Chicken Ranch mostly. But yes, the problem is that a guy could go to one house and get a great party, and then go to another house and be laughed out the door for trying to get a party for that amount… now what? The guy is out his money. Or what if the girl had to leave and the guy doesn’t find any other girl attractive?
I suppose each house has its own policies that come to that, but I don’t think it would be unreasonable to require a deposit and then allow a refund if you actually show up. I think that’s the whole point, to avoid no shows.
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I've found that sometimes the house webpage for a girl doesn't say anything about a deposit but her personal website does or she brings it up in an email response. One girl seemed more interested in getting a deposit than knowing the actual dates of my trip. Instant turn off.
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I think being able to walk away is one of the best negotiating tools you have. Don't give it away by making a non refundable deposit.
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A few years ago I decided to make a reservation for a very popular lady at the Bunny Ranch. I put $500.00 down as I wanted to make CC payment before I headed out. I informed the lady that this was not a10% deposit as no way I'm paying $5000.00 It was like 40-50%. On the day of reservation, I received a text informing me that her starting rate was a whole lot higher then I expected. She offered to transfer the deposit to another lady who worked at the Sagebrush that she thought I would be interested in. The lady at Sagebrush sent a text with a time to meet. I ended up having a very successful party. And now the only time I make deposits is with my ATF, making sure she is available.
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Preaching to the choir there, but a couple things,
I’m not sure how many houses require (or allow the girls to require) deposits, I guess Inez’s/Monas and Sheris don’t. Also looked at the booking form for Mustang it says nothing about a deposit. Guess it must be a thing with Moundhouse and Chicken Ranch mostly. But yes, the problem is that a guy could go to one house and get a great party, and then go to another house and be laughed out the door for trying to get a party for that amount… now what? The guy is out his money. Or what if the girl had to leave and the guy doesn’t find any other girl attractive?
I made an appointment at the Chicken Ranch a few years ago and was not required to put a deposit. It may, of course, vary by lady or have changed in the interim.
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Don't be surprised if management actually is actually answering the email, if you are using the house URL.
Don't be surprised if management monitors all the emails sent to the house URL.
You have to use the girl's social media account or personal email account if you expect to talk to the girl personally, and privately.
And even there, you can't be 100% sure. Some years back right about when the HBO Cathouse series wound down, I got a bug to see Airforce Amy. Given that she was a media celebrity in a minor way, I was afraid she was priced WAY out of my budget. I looked up her email on her web site and sent her an email saying basically that I knew she could not talk price in email but to let me know if my max of $X was not going to work and I would not waste her time. She emailed back and said no problem.
When I SAW her, she opened the discussion by tossing out that her minimum was a figure 3.5 times what I'd said was my max budget in the email. I reminded her about our discussion and she got kind of weird and vague and seemed to not remember it at all. Some years later, I was chatting with a lady who had worked in the same house as Amy and told her that story. She told me that Amy likely had NOT seen any of the emails and that it was well known among the other ladies that Amy paid someone to handle her email and social media for her. So the moral of the story is that you can never be 100% sure WHO is on the other end of an email conversation, whether the house or an assistant. But yeah; I'd say your approach has a higher probability of actually being the lady than if you use a house address. Just don't assume that it's a given.
Oh, and I DID come to an agreement with her for a shorter session within my budget but that's another story . . .
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Respectfully the concept of a non-refundable deposit
for services not yet negotiable is as * unethical *as the
client discussing pricing rates with the courtasan out side the lady's bedroom !
and boarders on exploitative criminal activities ment to put a client at a unfair disadvantage before a fair
negotiations process or a lady's avaliablity for a party
is known to a clients best interest 🤔
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If it's a big party like and overnight you need a deposit because when I lose money because you didn't show up them I'm not gonna be very happy. If I know them real well I don't worry about it but new customers need to do it or I can't hold the space. It would be insane to just go on someone's word you don't know because guys do that, other girls will get guys to do that, even brothels do it to other brothels. There are a lot of chickenshit people in this business and ain't nobody got time for that.
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A few years ago I decided to make a reservation for a very popular lady at the Bunny Ranch. I put $500.00 down as I wanted to make CC payment before I headed out. I informed the lady that this was not a10% deposit as no way I'm paying $5000.00 It was like 40-50%. On the day of reservation, I received a text informing me that her starting rate was a whole lot higher then I expected. She offered to transfer the deposit to another lady who worked at the Sagebrush that she thought I would be interested in. The lady at Sagebrush sent a text with a time to meet. I ended up having a very successful party. And now the only time I make deposits is with my ATF, making sure she is available.
I remember this, it’s when we met lol! I wasn’t the one you partied with on that day, but I remember it well. The gal you had the original appointment with was very kind to not just say your deposit is transferable, but point you in the direction of a great party with a lady you will like :)
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If it's a big party like and overnight you need a deposit because when I lose money because you didn't show up them I'm not gonna be very happy. If I know them real well I don't worry about it but new customers need to do it or I can't hold the space. It would be insane to just go on someone's word you don't know because guys do that, other girls will get guys to do that, even brothels do it to other brothels. There are a lot of chickenshit people in this business and ain't nobody got time for that.
Word. A deposit makes a distinction that someone is dead serious about booking. Mona’s doesn’t require deposits but Sagebrush after Dennis did, and management made an exception for me to honor an appointment without one since I came from the Before Times hehe. If I had a nickel for every time I was messaging with someone for weeks, months, sometimes years about a super indulgent many-day outdate/bungalow/porn star/royal celebrity party when I said “I need a deposit to secure the bungalow for those days” … and crickets, oh man I would have like, all these nickels… :)
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Contacting a girl in advance is not as easy as people make it sound. At least not in my experience. There's no email addresses listed for girls at the Elko houses and I'm lucky if I get a response from 1 out of 3 elsewhere.
As for transferring a deposit, you're still committed and are forced to make a choice with no opportunity to bail without losing money if things don't work out. Blindly committing to an unknown price tag is a little too risky and makes it easy to get scammed. Imagine going to a gas station and not knowing the price of gas until you fill your tank a certain amount. LPIN is the only industry where you can't get a price or even an estimate in advance (for obvious legal reasons), and that makes the idea of non-refundable deposits a turn off (no pun intended).
Preaching to the choir there, but a couple things,
I’m not sure how many houses require (or allow the girls to require) deposits, I guess Inez’s/Monas and Sheris don’t. Also looked at the booking form for Mustang it says nothing about a deposit. Guess it must be a thing with Moundhouse and Chicken Ranch mostly. But yes, the problem is that a guy could go to one house and get a great party, and then go to another house and be laughed out the door for trying to get a party for that amount… now what? The guy is out his money. Or what if the girl had to leave and the guy doesn’t find any other girl attractive?
I suppose each house has its own policies that come to that, but I don’t think it would be unreasonable to require a deposit and then allow a refund if you actually show up. I think that’s the whole point, to avoid no shows.
Can confirm the Mustang does not require a down payment for an appointment. I made an appointment with Luna back in '21 and they didn't require a down payment. Good thing too, cuz my flight was delayed 3 hours!
To my knowledge, the only houses that require down payments for appointments are all of the Moundhouse brothels and the Chicken Ranch. I think because they'll literally pull the girl from the lineup just to ensure she keeps her appointment. Whereas if it's honor system based and you don't honor your appointment, you run the risk of being, uhh... what is that acronym for when another John beats you to a party with a courtesan?
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I think that term is named for one of our mongers 👍🏼
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The crime =Geoed" 🤤 🤤 🤤
Sene of this sneaky maneuver was the dovetailranch in Carlin nevada. !
Respectfully this was on madame Monica's watch
before covid-19 paid us a visit 💀
Three mongers were practicing objectivism with a yummy lovly tanted dove currently in the parlor !
Two of the three mongers were debating and offering bribes to each other for who was about to find a bed with the young lady as they drank there cocktails 🍸🍸
By the time the were done with there private conversation on who's package was the lady's next assignment. ? ? ?
Monger # 3 had done the sneaky maneuver and whispered his own desires in the lady's ear 👍🏼
mongers # 1 & #2 looked up just in time to see the
lady Walking slowly to her bed room to get there party started 🥳 🎉 ==== 🤪
This term is ** GEOED**= MONGER # 3 WAS...GEO 🕶
respectfully
Mrjewels 😎
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I think that term is named for one of our mongers 👍🏼
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The crime =Geoed" 🤤 🤤 🤤
Sene of this sneaky maneuver was the dovetailranch in Carlin nevada. !
Respectfully this was on madame Monica's watch
before covid-19 paid us a visit 💀
Three mongers were practicing objectivism with a yummy lovly tanted dove currently in the parlor !
Two of the three mongers were debating and offering bribes to each other for who was about to find a bed with the young lady as they drank there cocktails 🍸🍸
By the time the were done with there private conversation on who's package was the lady's next assignment. ? ? ?
Monger # 3 had done the sneaky maneuver and whispered his own desires in the lady's ear 👍🏼
mongers # 1 & #2 looked up just in time to see the
lady Walking slowly to her bed room to get there party started 🥳 🎉 ==== 🤪
This term is ** GEOED**= MONGER # 3 WAS...GEO 🕶
respectfully
Mrjewels 😎
Finally someone explained this so people know what it means.
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Back on track.... deposits 🚫
Respectfully at the brothels in nevada only the chicken ranch , and the ex- Hoff houses= Mound house
Require deposits for apointments with there currently
touring courtasans !
All other brothels including the mustang brothel in sparks nevada may suggest 💰 🤑 them , but they are
* NOT REQUIRED* 100 %..
A VERBAL AGREEMENT is the standard beween integrity minded client's and reliable courtasans with trustworthy customer relations ethics 😘
DEPOSITS REMAIN TO BE A 💰 🤑 MONEY HOLDING SCAM SITUATION😒🚫= ITS THE CLIENTS MONEY 👍🏼
Respectfully
Mrjewels 😎