Another republican outs himself.

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Sen Ashburn R. Calif.

Can we say hypocrite?


http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/politics/sen-ashburn-i-am-gay/

[East Coast Guy]

Sen Ashburn R. Calif.

Can we say hypocrite?


http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/politics/sen-ashburn-i-am-gay/

Sure I can say the word hypocrite but, I'm not sure it applies to him.   Does an elected legislator vote for what he wants or what the majority of his constituents want?    Whether or not he's a hypocrite depends on what he said during his campaign and what the views of his constituents are.   He did say he was voting for them and not for himself.   At work, a lot of us have had to do something that our bosses wanted but that we felt was wrong.   Does that make us all hypocrites or were we just doing our job? 

Maybe I misunderstood your question Sidey.  Are you saying he's a hypocrite because he's just coming out of the closet now?   
 
East Coast Guy

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Sen Ashburn R. Calif.

Can we say hypocrite?


http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/politics/sen-ashburn-i-am-gay/

Sure I can say the word hypocrite but, I'm not sure it applies to him.   Does an elected legislator vote for what he wants or what the majority of his constituents want?    Whether or not he's a hypocrite depends on what he said during his campaign and what the views of his constituents are.   He did say he was voting for them and not for himself.   At work, a lot of us have had to do something that our bosses wanted but that we felt was wrong.   Does that make us all hypocrites or were we just doing our job? 

Maybe I misunderstood your question Sidey.  Are you saying he's a hypocrite because he's just coming out of the closet now?   
 
East Coast Guy

That's the problem with today's politics. Too  many politicians who are not thinking for themselves and only doing what their party wants or expects them to do. That's why you have gridlock and nothing works. Neither side is willing to give an inch and everything is decided straight down party lines which means nothing gets done. Sure, it's important to listen to the voters who put you in office but somehwere down the line, you also have to think for yourself. If something's wrong regardless of what the voters are saying, you have an obligation to vote using your better judgement. Then let the voters decide whether to keep you or not during the next election.
Of course, if your goal is just to get a cushy Gov. job with a fat pension and hold onto it as long as possible, just throw all common sense out the window and always vote the same way as the majority of people in your district want.

Hell, what do we need him for? We could get a machine to do that without having to pay large wages or any benefits or retirement!

[georoc01]

One of the main reasons for that is because the parties have gerrymandered the districts so that the candidate picks the voters they want to vote for them, rather than the other way around.

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One of the main reasons for that is because the parties have gerrymandered the districts so that the candidate picks the voters they want to vote for them, rather than the other way around.

They said on tonite's news, some conservative groups were asking for his resignation. They feel he was dishonest by not telling them he was gay.

[bones]

Well this is my view of the national debating society and nonfunctional assembly in DC.

Shown at its best with health care.

The party in control dismisses/rejects/votes against all the other party's ideas/ammendents/etc. At times rewords or alters ideas of merit from the minority (in a way not recognizable as from them) and adds it to the bill.

Here is whats so strikingly wrong in the current debate.

1) the people can and do want reform of the health care system

2) the people don't want the current proposed bill to reform this system

3) the congressional leaders/president aren't listening to the voters

[FredT]

  Here is whats so strikingly wrong in the current debate.

1) the people can and do want reform of the health care system

2) the people don't want the current proposed bill to reform this system

3) the congressional leaders/president aren't listening to the voters
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What he said..... EXACTLY

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  Here is whats so strikingly wrong in the current debate.

1) the people can and do want reform of the health care system

2) the people don't want the current proposed bill to reform this system

3) the congressional leaders/president aren't listening to the voters
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What he said..... EXACTLY

What's really sad is most people don't even know what's in the health care reform bill. All they know is what Limbaugh and Hannity have told them. Really sad when a bunch of seniors who watch Hannity get together and march, saying they don't want government health care so what should we do, cut off their medicare?

BTW: I do think Obama has handled it poorly. If it were me, I would have picked 5 democrats and 5 republicans and had them work out a plan that everyone could live with. The only problem would be to find 5 republicans or 5 democrats that have not accepted money from the insurance companies or the pharmaceutical companies. As far as the Republicans wanting to start over, it's just a stall tactic until mid term elections. What Obam should have told them at the TV conference is we are not starting over but What I want you to do is bring me the areas of the most concern and we'll work together to correct them. Then if the republicans refused, they would be showing their true colors of just using healthcare as a political football. If they did come back with concerns, it would have been a win-win for everyone.

[time_twist]

What's really sad is most people don't even know what's in the health care reform bill. All they know is what Limbaugh and Hannity have told them. Really sad when a bunch of seniors who watch Hannity get together and march, saying they don't want government health care so what should we do, cut off their medicare?

The reason Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, etc can get away with it is that the people have been burnt one too many times by the government that they won't believe that the new bill isn't going to screw them.  It also doesn't help that the bill is so huge that the majority of the congressmen voting on it don't know what's hidden in it.

[georoc01]

Exactly..and giving special handouts to Florida, Louisana & Nebraska doesn't help either.

[goldie]

That's the problem with today's politics. Too  many politicians who are not thinking for themselves and only doing what their party wants or expects them to do. That's why you have gridlock and nothing works. Neither side is willing to give an inch and everything is decided straight down party lines which means nothing gets done. Sure, it's important to listen to the voters who put you in office but somehwere down the line, you also have to think for yourself. If something's wrong regardless of what the voters are saying, you have an obligation to vote using your better judgement. Then let the voters decide whether to keep you or not during the next election.
Of course, if your goal is just to get a cushy Gov. job with a fat pension and hold onto it as long as possible, just throw all common sense out the window and always vote the same way as the majority of people in your district want.

Hell, what do we need him for? We could get a machine to do that without having to pay large wages or any benefits or retirement!

How is it a problem when an elected official votes the way his constituents want him to? Isn't that exactly what an elected representive is supposed to do? There's a big difference between voting the way your constituents want you to vs voting the way your party wants you to. Hell, if Congress voted with the constituents and against the party, this health care nightmare would be over....

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That's the problem with today's politics. Too  many politicians who are not thinking for themselves and only doing what their party wants or expects them to do. That's why you have gridlock and nothing works. Neither side is willing to give an inch and everything is decided straight down party lines which means nothing gets done. Sure, it's important to listen to the voters who put you in office but somehwere down the line, you also have to think for yourself. If something's wrong regardless of what the voters are saying, you have an obligation to vote using your better judgement. Then let the voters decide whether to keep you or not during the next election.
Of course, if your goal is just to get a cushy Gov. job with a fat pension and hold onto it as long as possible, just throw all common sense out the window and always vote the same way as the majority of people in your district want.

Hell, what do we need him for? We could get a machine to do that without having to pay large wages or any benefits or retirement!

How is it a problem when an elected official votes the way his constituents want him to? Isn't that exactly what an elected representive is supposed to do? There's a big difference between voting the way your constituents want you to vs voting the way your party wants you to. Hell, if Congress voted with the constituents and against the party, this health care nightmare would be over....

Well, let's see. if politicians would have followed the will of the people in southern states, we would still have the Jim Crow laws and seperate schools for blacks, seperate but equal We probably wouldn't have medicare as the same type of people who are now against health care were against medicare. Abortion? No way

[goldie]

Well, let's see. if politicians would have followed the will of the people in southern states, we would still have the Jim Crow laws and seperate schools for blacks, seperate but equal We probably wouldn't have medicare as the same type of people who are now against health care were against medicare. Abortion? No way

I didn't say that they should vote with the vocal minority -- I said with the people. I do apologize for being unclear, I meant vote in representation of the  majority of the constituent's wishes.

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Well, let's see. if politicians would have followed the will of the people in southern states, we would still have the Jim Crow laws and seperate schools for blacks, seperate but equal We probably wouldn't have medicare as the same type of people who are now against health care were against medicare. Abortion? No way

I didn't say that they should vote with the vocal minority -- I said with the people. I do apologize for being unclear, I meant vote in representation of the  majority of the constituent's wishes.

Sad to say, racism in the south was the majority of the people. Even more recent was Ca. voters rejecting gay marriage at the ballot box. It was the will of the people to decriminate on the grounds of sexual gender.

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We can send a solider to war and put him or her in a position where they have to kill or be killed but they can't even legally enjoy a cold beer while on leave at home. I can have a couple beers with no problem but some guy takes a toke off a doobie and he goes to jail. Almost every country has legal prostitution but in America, it is only possilbe in a few spots in Nevada. Yep, the majority of the people make the rules but they don't always get it right!