What's your guess when the majority of LPIN ranches reopen?

[MrTShirt]

From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Why would the governor even bother?  His party base is Las Vegas and Reno.  The rest of the state doesn't matter to him.

[Wildfire]

From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Why would the governor even bother?  His party base is Las Vegas and Reno.  The rest of the state doesn't matter to him.

You are right MrTSirt. And COVID 19 is a convenient way to end the brothel industry without even haveing a vote by the legislature. You just keep them closed indefinitely for public health safety reasons.  Because eventually all the brothel owners will be bankrupt and just throw in the towel and give up and move on with thier lives.

[SToN3y]

From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Why would the governor even bother?  His party base is Las Vegas and Reno.  The rest of the state doesn't matter to him.

You are right MrTSirt. And COVID 19 is a convenient way to end the brothel industry without even haveing a vote by the legislature. You just keep them closed indefinitely for public health safety reasons.  Because eventually all the brothel owners will be bankrupt and just throw in the towel and give up and move on with thier lives.

Maybe you're right...

Stage 5: Acceptance

[Q]

As long as there is:
Money to be made
Palms to be greased
Taxes to collect
Nuts to drain

The brothel industry will not end.
This sayeth the Q   ;D

[Jack Rackham]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

[Jack Rackham]

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[Eddyxybb55]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti lpin agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates  risk for spreading covid even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

[Eddyxybb55]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed (or only operating for "dates") indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

[Eddyxybb55]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

[Eddyxybb55]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

[Jack Rackham]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Thanks, Randy. That helps to clarify. I do think it is a good sign that the Guv has at least not opposed LPIN publicly but opening the brothels does seem like more of a political calculation given that there are voters that weigh these things.

I still think though that if the risk is on the patron (signing a form) and rapid testing is used in some way, that should at least technically manage the risk from the science perspective. Nothing is foolproof though. Even before COVID-19, you could never completely ensure that someone wouldn't pick up something in LPIN. While the record of not contracting HIV in LPIN from an active worker has been pretty much 100%, other STDs were reported occasionally and I'm guessing Herpes was still being transmitted too because it's just highly prevalent in the population, not consistently tested in every brothel and hard to protect against. So you really can only do the best that you can and because the risk of closure was always born by the owners if someone did pick up HIV, they seemed to do a really good job. I mean, LPIN has actually had a pretty stellar record given all the parties (thousands, millions?) that have taken place since it was legalized. 

As Q said, the selling of flesh isn't going to stop. It's been around since people have been fucking and money was invented. So you might as well think of a way to do it that works best for everybody and LPIN, in my mind, has always been the best model except of course for the cost. But that extra cost is worth it to me as the best insurance from catching something I don't want and keeping the ladies safe too. I know I am preaching to the choir here...but just saying, once COVID starts to be managed, I'm thinking the brothels will be back too but likely scaled back.

[georoc01]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Is it because the virus itself weakens, or that people build up a limited immunity, that is then passed down from those that survive the first wave to their children and it becomes a generational thing. A darwinism effect after the virus takes out the most vulnerable?

[billwh]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Is it because the virus itself weakens, or that people build up a limited immunity, that is then passed down from those that survive the first wave to their children and it becomes a generational thing. A darwinism effect after the virus takes out the most vulnerable?

Very interesting. Here's what I heard from Dr Fauci on the news not long ago. The virus, any virus, I guess, mutates in order to survive. If it is deadly enough to kill its host, that limits its own chance of survival. So over time the virus weakens. Makes sense; as long as the host is not killed by the virus, he/she can pass it on to other people.

[georoc01]

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Is it because the virus itself weakens, or that people build up a limited immunity, that is then passed down from those that survive the first wave to their children and it becomes a generational thing. A darwinism effect after the virus takes out the most vulnerable?

Very interesting. Here's what I heard from Dr Fauci on the news not long ago. The virus, any virus, I guess, mutates in order to survive. If it is deadly enough to kill its host, that limits its own chance of survival. So over time the virus weakens. Makes sense; as long as the host is not killed by the virus, he/she can pass it on to other people.

That's certainly true. Take Ebola. Far more deadly than any of these coronavirus. But its so deadly it starts killing its hosts faster than it can be passed on.

But going back in history, one of the biggest issues with the Europeans coming to the Americas was that the natives had never been exposed to the virus's that had come through Europe and it was devastating to the native populations.

What's been different about this one is that length and strength of the viral load you are exposed to makes a big difference how bad it is. Which is why masks make a big difference. The more intense the exposure, the more sick you get.

[Adventure Guy]

Based on today's Nevada governor announcement it doesn't sound like LPIN is opening in May. 

https://www.fox5vegas.com/coronavirus/gov-sisolak-says-nevadas-stay-at-home-order-will-be-extended/article_155c9d68-8a44-11ea-ae27-eb481a9c6f10.html

So I am hoping LPIN opens back sometime in the summer.

My original guess was way off.  I'm hoping now that most of LPIN reopens sometime in 2021 - wishing sooner rather than later.

I'm glad to to know that many ranches have COVID safety protocols defined and plan to implement once they are allowed to reopen:
https://nevadabrothelassociation.com/protocols/