Election and LPIN

Started by SpaceCadet, November 06, 2024, 12:50:23 PM

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SpaceCadet

So how will this effect LPIN.  I read the Project 2025 document and they plan to outlaw pornography.  Now I know what goes on in the brothels stays in the brothels but any guess as to wether or not MAGA will try to put an end to legal prostitution?

Rabnut

I've wondered about this myself. Project 2025 wants to ban porn and imprison people who produce it (look up the "Hands Off My Porn" group). Ironically, young men who are the biggest users of porn just helped install MAGA.

Certainly, some factions of MAGA are seeking to end LPIN also.

eastcoast bob

during my trip to nevada this past summer I passed through SLC.   I spent one night there and was unable to log into this website.  As Rabnut says, at this point its anybody's guess.   

Mr. Lloyd

On the one hand, certainly seems like the Project 2025 true believers would be no allies to LPIN. On the other, the GOP tends to be big on states' rights, and trying to pass a law that effectively targets only one state would likely get some opposition from within the less extreme factions of the Republican party. I'm also not sure how high it would be on their list of priorities. Definitely worth keeping an eye out for any developments, but I suspect a lot of the more extreme efforts of Project 2025 politicians will face heavier opposition than they expect from a lot of Republican lawmakers.

JW


mobeerlswhine

Quote from: Mr. Lloyd on November 06, 2024, 01:59:24 PM
On the one hand, certainly seems like the Project 2025 true believers would be no allies to LPIN. On the other, the GOP tends to be big on states' rights, and trying to pass a law that effectively targets only one state would likely get some opposition from within the less extreme factions of the Republican party. I'm also not sure how high it would be on their list of priorities. Definitely worth keeping an eye out for any developments, but I suspect a lot of the more extreme efforts of Project 2025 politicians will face heavier opposition than they expect from a lot of Republican lawmakers.

Excellent observation. I think they would have to get P2025 done in the first year or it's toast because it will be an anchor around the necks of Reps. in competitve mid-terms like abortion issues were before. With all of the bluster about the boarder, I would think they focus on that and not 'vice' issues first.   
(personally, I think they are all delusional assholes and my district did the 'right thing')

wb69

Fake news about 2025 gets everyone riled up! Geeze!

HopelessRealist

Project 2025 is "real" insomuch as the writing actually exists, but "fake" in the sense that it is a Heritage Foundation pipe/wet dream and not the Trump or RNC platform.  It was used across the country as a campaign boogeyman to turn out blue voters, as is (for better or worse) the practice in politics when there is a perceived weak spot.  It's unclear what if any of those types of polices could be picked up by the actual administration depending on who gets into the cabinet/inner circle and has his ear, or if a few in congress might introduce anything, but it's extraordinarily unlikely that "outlaw porn" isn't going to gain big traction in the USA at this point...  also doubtful that there is any big push to lessen states' rights to determine these things in general since that usually has stronger pull on the "red team."

There IS always the threat from various factions or unholy alliances between moralists on both cultural sides (~right religious and left feminist) to come down hard on sex work especially when it gets (accidentally or intentionally) conflated with trafficking issues, and that tinderbox can always be sparked by a bad media event, but that is nothing new and it does not seem to have any particular presence/momentum in Trump land at this time.  These things are almost always mixes of probability vs. 100% clear, but I find it unlikely that much would change for LPIN in the next 4 years.

wb69

#8
Fake in the sense Trump said never would sign on to it and said he never even read it! Remember he IS hitler and a nazi also the commie socialist dems said.

TheAmazingScorpioReturns

From my perspective changes comes slowly through Congress if it comes at all so overall I doubt very much will change overall much less any drastic changes coming to LPIN.

In the event that we need wheelbarrows of money to buy a loaf of bread because the economy collapsed, a meteor slams into our blue marble or there's another plague it's best to continue on as normal.   8)

Quote from: wb69 on November 07, 2024, 08:36:06 AM
Fake news about 2025 gets everyone riled up! Geeze!
Quote from: wb69 on November 08, 2024, 07:16:50 AM
Fake in the sense Trump said never would sign on to it and said he never even read it! Remember he IS hitler and a nazi also the commie socialist dems said.

Turn the heat down, man.

I think a lot of us are here to talk about beautiful women and our plans to party with them.   8)

Not Team Sports ...unless it's the two or more girl party team.  ;)

HopelessRealist

Quote from: TheAmazingScorpioReturns on November 08, 2024, 08:54:35 AM
Turn the heat down, man.

I'm going to echo this sentiment.  There are a lot of things to complain about in modern politics and media ecosystem, and though I can aim my more analytical side at a lot of details I'm very aware that even treated with an even hand it is a tinderbox thee days.  Kicking the tribal partisan hornet's nest for no reason is pointless and just likely to piss people off who are just here looking for relevant information.  There are enough victory-lap posts and trolling going on elsewhere on social media.

oldskiis

       When it comes to the Personal Liberty that should be afforded adult consensual sex, paid or otherwise, I really do not think either side has shown a lot of willingness to acknowledge that Right, and those of us that have enjoyed the benefits of paid consensual sex, must never forget that Personal Liberty must be guarded in politics especially, we must engage on some level in that discussion or the pretty ladies and that which we enjoyed or others might in the future is not achieved without effort and commitment.

SMRKIA

Quote from: oldskiis on November 08, 2024, 09:54:39 AM
       When it comes to the Personal Liberty that should be afforded adult consensual sex, paid or otherwise, I really do not think either side has shown a lot of willingness to acknowledge that Right, and those of us that have enjoyed the benefits of paid consensual sex, must never forget that Personal Liberty must be guarded in politics especially, we must engage on some level in that discussion or the pretty ladies and that which we enjoyed or others might in the future is not achieved without effort and commitment.

Not going to mention which one, though google it and I'm sure you'll find it, but one of the presidential candidates did say they felt sex work (between 2 consenting adults) should be legal.

The only thing about that is that this would come from a federal level, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that as far as the federal government is concerned, prostitution is legal in the entire United States, but 49 states have chosen to outlaw it. So I'm not sure what good that would do. It would have to be someone at the state level to have the initiative.

VegasPokerDude

Quote from: SMRKIA on November 08, 2024, 10:10:23 AM

Not going to mention which one, though google it and I'm sure you'll find it, but one of the presidential candidates did say they felt sex work (between 2 consenting adults) should be legal.

The only thing about that is that this would come from a federal level, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that as far as the federal government is concerned, prostitution is legal in the entire United States, but 49 states have chosen to outlaw it. So I'm not sure what good that would do. It would have to be someone at the state level to have the initiative.

I believe you are correct on this. It's not like the marijuana laws where it's still federally illegal and some states are decriminalizing it. If your in a state that allows marijuana and say a US Marshall or DEA agent sees you with it they can still arrest you on federal charges. Prostitution isnt on the federal law books AFAIK. But like you said, 49 states have their own laws about it. And because so many states make it illegal I feel like a lot of people think it's the federal government doing so and not individual states.

lagnaf

The only federal law I am aware of is the Mann Act, which prohibits transporting a person across state lines for purposes of prostitution.  Furthermore, the Supreme Court ruled in Hoke V. United States that Congress does not have the authority to regulate prostitution, as that was left up for states to regulate, but Congress could regulate it from an interstate commerce perspective.