Election and LPIN

[RoadTripper]

The only federal law I am aware of is the Mann Act, which prohibits transporting a person across state lines for purposes of prostitution.  Furthermore, the Supreme Court ruled in Hoke V. United States that Congress does not have the authority to regulate prostitution, as that was left up for states to regulate, but Congress could regulate it from an interstate commerce perspective.

The reason why outdates, in houses/counties that allow them, can only take place within NV state lines.

[Mr. Lloyd]

The Mann Act isn't the only reason outdates are limited to within Nevada, but it's the big one for sure. Even without it you could theoretically run afoul of state laws. Outdates are frankly sort of a grey area legally, anyway. Probably fine if the outdate is completely non-sexual, but any sexual activity between a legal courtesan and a client outside of a brothel is still illegal under Nevada law. It's also hard to prosecute, of course, because whatever happens in a hotel room is between the people in that room, but hard to prosecute isn't the same as technically legal.

There are some other federal laws related to sex work, but none making it illegal at the federal level. The relatively recent anti-trafficking statutes, FOSTA-SESTA, come to mind. As noted the Hoke case ruled that the federal government can only regulate prostitution as it pertains to interstate commerce (this is a pretty common principle about what the federal government can and can't regulate), but more recent developments in the law generally construe the internet as pertaining to interstate commerce, so the federal government can regulate stuff that happens online.

[RoadTripper]

I stand corrected. Those are some of the myriad reasons why things are the way they are. The Gordian knot patchwork of laws surrounding LPIN makes my head spin (IANAL so even more so).

Regarding the central topic of this thread: I think the focus on things like the economy, the border, and jobs will take precedence over any moral crusade. Hopefully. As HR and others mentioned earlier in this thread, Project 2025 is more of a tool used by fearmongers (our least favorite kind of monger :P) as a campaign boogeyman.

[Q]

This... I agree on...
"Hopefully. As HR and others mentioned earlier in this thread, Project 2025 is more of a tool used by fearmongers (our least favorite kind of monger :P) as a campaign boogeyman."
Q

[Apple Patch]

So long as we are delving into the politics of sex work prohibitionism, here is an interesting interview about an upcoming book about America's prohibitionist foreign policy.  I had been wondering why it was that so many people fell into line with Abraham Flexner's ideas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDiYjGoQ2as

[Claymore]

Facts support LPIN....legal brothels in Nevada...take in around $100-$125 Million....

Brothels provide a safe workplace for the courtesans and a safe place for customers..male,female or couples..tested for  STD's..STI's and HIV..work permits, background checks and they pay taxes..the houses pay taxes, provide employment..purchase goods and services from the local community..

Illegal prostitution in Nevada..around $5 Billion...(a billion is a 1000 million)...no health testing...no work permits..NO paying taxes..!!

This is a huge black market economy..that politicians don't want to address....they know the numbers..

Prostitution occurs everywhere....it is ignored or just tolerated..

Many factors have contributed to the decline of brothels...tech being the largest..it is now easier then ever for a sex worker to market themselves..options for income among sex workers is wider then ever..on-line cams...mainstream porn..Only Fans..endless list of other sites like that..Escort work..sugar Daddy work etc..

The best we can as a consumer group is support the dwindling number of houses..and the ladies who try to earn a living working them..

As far as 2025 that was a wish-list from a DC think tank....period...these "tanks"....both left and right use "papers" to generate controversy and make money..again ...period..

[mayetrix300]

I don't think much will be done to criminalize LPIN during Trump's presidency. The most Trump will probably do is make it harder for street girls to do business. In 2018, Trump signed FOSTA-SESTA into motion which criminalizes online prostitution to fight sex trafficking so this pretty much destroyed backpage.

If Trump has any sense, he would focus on other issues instead of cracking down on sex work. Millions of his voters want small government, low taxes and low inflation so he should start and finish with that.

[eastcoast bob]

That this forum is officially blocked in UTAH is I guess predictable but utterly stupid.   As with abortion, individual states need to address the issues in the ballot box state by state.   Some will remain in the past.   Honestly, even the "progressive" east coast is remarkably uptight about all things sex
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[HopelessRealist]

That this forum is officially blocked in UTAH is I guess predictable but utterly stupid.   As with abortion, individual states need to address the issues in the ballot box state by state.   Some will remain in the past.   Honestly, even the "progressive" east coast is remarkably uptight about all things sex
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There are now two main modern flavors of sexual moralizers attempting to control sexual behavior.  You have the more "conservative"/religious side that views sex (at least out of wedlock though maybe a few extreme niches just in general) as more "sinful" and then the more gender ideologue side of "progressive."  Utah is likely dominated by the former but I'm afraid our east coast brethren are more ruled by the latter.  Having grown up there I might opine that there is still a strain of puritanism woven though that thinking, but manifesting in a much different way.  It blames men for all the ills this time but still rides he echoes of guilt and shame instead of accepting the reality anyone's true animal or emotional impulses and contending with them honestly.

I could hope otherwise but suspect even if any progressive-driven movement in the USA pushes to legalize sex work it will be only the work and not the purchasing, since too many of the modern oppressor/oppressed narrative in that camp can only allow for that.

If the USA ever completely fails on the legal front then there are other options, though I'm not sure if any of them do "safe" as well as Nevada and so it would still be very disappointing.

[gfmac]

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That this forum is officially blocked in UTAH is I guess predictable but utterly stupid.   As with abortion, individual states need to address the issues in the ballot box state by state.   Some will remain in the past.   Honestly, even the "progressive" east coast is remarkably uptight about all things sex
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I live in Utah and the forum is not block.  I had Comcast and now using a fiber provider.  You might want to change your ISP.

[eastcoast bob]

"
That this forum is officially blocked in UTAH is I guess predictable but utterly stupid.   As with abortion, individual states need to address the issues in the ballot box state by state.   Some will remain in the past.   Honestly, even the "progressive" east coast is remarkably uptight about all things sex
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I live in Utah and the forum is not block.  I had Comcast and now using a fiber provider.  You might want to change your ISP.

My provider is ATT.   I was blocked in SLC.

[fairoakian]

As Hopeless Realist said  2025 is nothing more than a document being used by the left to scare voters. In the hands of some it is propaganda and nothing more than a proposal put out by a think tank.

[RebeccaBrite]

Dearest Freaky peeps,

I am

I think it's absolutely absurd that legal prostitution doesn't exist everywhere.

I'm not particularly fearful that I will lose the right to work as a legal prostitute in Nevada, I am fearful that the beliefs of others will affect MY LIFE.

[SMRKIA]

Dearest Freaky peeps,

I am

I think it's absolutely absurd that legal prostitution doesn't exist everywhere.

I'm not particularly fearful that I will lose the right to work as a legal prostitute in Nevada, I am fearful that the beliefs of others will affect MY LIFE.

With the recent events in Crystal I think that's certainly a valid fear.

[eastcoast bob]

Dearest Freaky peeps,

unique - I like it

freakypeepBob