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Given the current coronavirus situation, what's your guess in when the majority of LPIN ranches reopen?

April 1st

Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

Quote from: Wildfire on March 24, 2020, 08:08:15 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

Or Trump. Reopening the tourist industry requires his administrations approval too. Too many people have pushed the PANIC button already. I'm reading about Trump thinking about "reopening the economy" and I hope he does his part. I know the dangers, I know the precautions, let me decide how I want to live the rest of my life and where I'm willing to take risks, even if I want to risk dying from something common like an auto accident by driving.

Quote from: isurfer on March 24, 2020, 08:25:13 AM

Quote from: Wildfire on March 24, 2020, 08:08:15 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

Or Trump. Reopening the tourist industry requires his administration's approval too. Too many people have pushed the PANIC button already. I'm reading about Trump thinking about "reopening the economy" and I hope he does his part. I know the dangers, I know the precautions, let me decide how I want to live the rest of my life and where I'm willing to take risks, even if I want to risk dying from something common like an auto accident by driving.

No, it's a state rights issue all the President has done is closed the borders and stoped foreign travel and approved some states' usage of the national guard would be fully covered by the federal credit card. All the illegal closing of business and illegal ordering people to stay home has been on the state and local level not federal.
And yes the unwarranted panic is a bigger problem than COVID-19. 

Quote from: Wildfire on March 24, 2020, 08:08:15 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/with-nevada-hospitals-short-on-beds-leaders-plan-for-the-unthinkable-1987094/

This is the concern. Testing is severely limited right now and they aren't reporting hospitalizations. I think the last number shows 150 beds avail. No idea with ventilators.

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 08:50:43 AM

Quote from: Wildfire on March 24, 2020, 08:08:15 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/with-nevada-hospitals-short-on-beds-leaders-plan-for-the-unthinkable-1987094/

This is the concern. Testing is severely limited right now and they aren't reporting hospitalizations. I think the last number shows 150 beds avail. No idea with ventilators.

Since disagreeing with you will be concurred starting an argument Geo all I will say is you are back to your fear-mongering in a true liberal fashion.

Bussiness will reopen when the American public quits believing all the want to be dictators and takes back control of a free America.

Quote from: Wildfire on March 24, 2020, 09:37:45 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 08:50:43 AM

Quote from: Wildfire on March 24, 2020, 08:08:15 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/with-nevada-hospitals-short-on-beds-leaders-plan-for-the-unthinkable-1987094/

This is the concern. Testing is severely limited right now and they aren't reporting hospitalizations. I think the last number shows 150 beds avail. No idea with ventilators.

Since disagreeing with you will be concurred starting an argument Geo all I will say is you are back to your fear-mongering in a true liberal fashion.

Bussiness will reopen when the American public quits believing all the want to be dictators and takes back control of a free America.

Uhh, yeah, its just fear mongering when we are standing up temporary hospitals in 8 states.And that's outside of NY, including areas where the numbers are as small as Nevada.

Considering the different perspectives, at differing levels of government, I wouldn't venture a guess. I'm just going to act like this will go on indefinitely.

Soon I hope... what kills many businesses is not the immediate loss of income as much as customer habits.  People tend to discover, and move onto, different things.  It may take years just to reach the same level as before.   

Having said that, I think some houses might have to do a reality check on pricing once this passes.  Most clients simply won't have the extra funds like they used to.   Many clients have taken a real beating on 401Ks, pensions, and their disposable income.   

The houses (and ladies) that continue to work with their clients are the ones that will survive. 

Chicago Bob is right, the economic impacts will linger far longer than the impacts of the virus.  People do change habits and lifestyles and both the brothels and casinos will be in serious trouble as this drags on and then the human misery factor is the recession and not the virus. 
      Since the health officials are dealing with a virus and they do mutate, nobody is saying what will happen if an effective vaccine is not developed and that may be likely, and this virus will return in some form again, they always do.  We can be wise about our life choices, but as somebody in a high risk group, our economy is also vitally important and we need to take risks with both health and the economy but try to return to normal. 
      It might be an appropriate metaphor, but in the Carter era, domestic oil drilling was at a low, and when the oil industry tried to get up to speed in the crisis, it was hard to find a rig or a crew, and you can not drill without them.  Close LPIN long enough and you will never go back to drilling the same way. 

Agree with Bob. We are in a status where we are all asking, "How much do I need this really? Can I live without this especially after taking a financial hit?" Accommodation may be key.

I'm in NYC we're we are one of the highest effected. The president is from here. He wants us all to go back to our normal lives by Easter. Our governor will assess our situation next Wednesday. So we might go back to the norm then. Hope there is no more flare ups in New York to delay us any further. That should give you guys an idea of what's taking place for now. I myself can't wait to get back to the brothels. Tijuana is sounding great about now.
XO Vanity

Quote from: vanityaffair on March 24, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
I'm in NYC we're we are one of the highest effected. The president is from here. He wants us all to go back to our normal lives by Easter. Our governor will assess our situation next Wednesday. So we might go back to the norm then. Hope there is no more flare ups in New York to delay us any further. That should give you guys an idea of what's taking place for now. I myself can't wait to get back to the brothels. Tijuana is sounding great about now.
XO Vanity

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Until that orange line flattens out, NY won't be able to go back to normal.

Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 03:18:53 PM

Quote from: vanityaffair on March 24, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
I'm in NYC we're we are one of the highest effected. The president is from here. He wants us all to go back to our normal lives by Easter. Our governor will assess our situation next Wednesday. So we might go back to the norm then. Hope there is no more flare ups in New York to delay us any further. That should give you guys an idea of what's taking place for now. I myself can't wait to get back to the brothels. Tijuana is sounding great about now.
XO Vanity

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Until that orange line flattens out, NY won't be able to go back to normal.

georoc01, what would that chart look like if you add Nevada to it?

Nevada governor Commrade Sisolack just issued an order stopping groups of 10 or more from gathering, so it gonna be a while.

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9


Nevada cases

Quote from: Shooter on March 24, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
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Nevada cases

Only 4 deaths in Nevada from Covid-19/coronavirus so far? It has a lot of catching up in death numbers to other causes of death in Nevada. Damonte Ranch High School in Reno had 5 students die so far this year since January, no, not from coronavirus. 4 deaths from any cause is a very small number for Nevada, don't you think? I was curious as to other causes of Nevada deaths, and the CDC had statistics from 2017. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/nevada/nevada.htm

NV Leading Causes of Death, 2017
                                      Deaths
1. Heart Disease                          6,417    
2. Cancer                             5,283    
3. Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease    1,633    
4. Accidents                             1,496    
5. Stroke                                     1,137    
6. Alzheimer's disease                     779    
7. Flu/Pneumonia                              636    
8. Suicide                                627    
9. Diabetes                                608    
10. Chronic Liver Disease/Cirrhosis        458    

Nevada Mortality Data    Deaths    
Firearm Deaths       508    
Homicide                       221    
Drug Overdose Deaths    676

isurfer,

That table helps put this covid-19 thing into context (4 dead so far) with the flu/pneumonia (636 dead) of a prior year, noting that the recovery rate of covid-19 is about 90% while for seasonal flu it's about 98%. I
wonder how the # of covid-19 deaths in Nevada will compare with seasonal flu/pneumonia deaths by the
end of the year and IF all the "social distancing" measures and shutdowns had any effect on lowering the
covid-19 deaths in Nevada by that time.

The Hiking Guy

Quote from: isurfer on March 24, 2020, 07:37:59 PM

Quote from: Shooter on March 24, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
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Nevada cases

Only 4 deaths in Nevada from Covid-19/coronavirus so far? It has a lot of catching up in death numbers to other causes of death in Nevada. Damonte Ranch High School in Reno had 5 students die so far this year since January, no, not from coronavirus. 4 deaths from any cause is a very small number for Nevada, don't you think? I was curious as to other causes of Nevada deaths, and the CDC had statistics from 2017. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/nevada/nevada.htm

NV Leading Causes of Death, 2017
                                      Deaths
1. Heart Disease                          6,417    
2. Cancer                             5,283    
3. Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease    1,633    
4. Accidents                             1,496    
5. Stroke                                     1,137    
6. Alzheimer's disease                     779    
7. Flu/Pneumonia                              636    
8. Suicide                                627    
9. Diabetes                                608    
10. Chronic Liver Disease/Cirrhosis        458    

Nevada Mortality Data    Deaths    
Firearm Deaths       508    
Homicide                       221    
Drug Overdose Deaths    676

Nevada coronavirus deaths increase by 50% in one day!
Yeah, it went from 4 to 6 deaths. Sensational journalism? Kind of like when a child dies from coronavirus it makes headlines.

"isurfer,

That table helps put this covid-19 thing into context (4 dead so far) with the flu/pneumonia (636 dead) of a prior year, noting that the recovery rate of covid-19 is about 90% while for seasonal flu it's about 98%. I
wonder how the # of covid-19 deaths in Nevada will compare with seasonal flu/pneumonia deaths by the
end of the year and IF all the "social distancing" measures and shutdowns had any effect on lowering the
covid-19 deaths in Nevada by that time.

The Hiking Guy"



It's clear to all of the world, except for a few guys here, that population density has a huge impact on transmission. Keeping the casinos open, especially in Las Vegas and Reno, would have been a disaster waiting to happen. I don't agree that it the order should have been applied equally to the less population dense counties though. Also, at the time there was no firm metric to base the 30 day period on.

I think there was ample reason for the governor to do something. The idea that it was liberal fear mongering is laughable. NV does not have the healthcare infrastructure that other states and a sizable retired (ie. at risk) population (in Clark Co. at least). It is impossible to know how many infection cases this act prevented, certainly hundreds if not thousands in LV/Reno areas.

IF you want to get political about it, I would imagine that the governor premised that he couldn't take strong enough measures on a county-by-county basis. It might be possible to ease restrictions that way though. Time will tell.

Exactly, look at what's going on in Italy right now, where 0.1% of their population died in a week.

The pentagon came out this morning and said 3 months.

If it looks like you are overreacting, you are probably doing the right thing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/487639-fauci-if-it-looks-like-youre-overreacting-youre-probably-doing-the

Quote from: oldskiis on March 24, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
Chicago Bob is right, the economic impacts will linger far longer than the impacts of the virus.  People do change habits and lifestyles and both the brothels and casinos will be in serious trouble as this drags on and then the human misery factor is the recession and not the virus. 
      Since the health officials are dealing with a virus and they do mutate, nobody is saying what will happen if an effective vaccine is not developed and that may be likely, and this virus will return in some form again, they always do.  We can be wise about our life choices, but as somebody in a high risk group, our economy is also vitally important and we need to take risks with both health and the economy but try to return to normal. 
      It might be an appropriate metaphor, but in the Carter era, domestic oil drilling was at a low, and when the oil industry tried to get up to speed in the crisis, it was hard to find a rig or a crew, and you can not drill without them.  Close LPIN long enough and you will never go back to drilling the same way.

I think your metaphor is spot on!  The oil industry is a good example of need/supply/availability.  Oil right now is at a 20 year low trying to meet demand needs (or lack of).  The brothels need to apply the same philosophy when things open up again.  Business as usual won't cut it...

 May fifth.   

Lets assume COVID19 is nothing more than the flu. Let's use stats from https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm). Using best case scenario that over a 6 month period (Oct 1 to Apr 1) there are 38 million flu illiness and 390 thousand hospitalizations. This is the best case scenario so let's ignore the period from March 14 to Apr 1. Even though it 8% of the sample size and let's assume there is no change in the cases or hospitalizations.

https://www.census.gov/popclock/ (https://www.census.gov/popclock/) which says US population is greater than 329.4 million. Let's round up because more people means lower infection rates.

That means the flu has an infection rate of 38000000 / 329500000 = 11.53% and a hospitalization rate of 390000 / 329500000 = 0.115%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada) says Nevada population is 3.08 million.

In http://dhcfp.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dhcfpnvgov/content/Resources/Rates/2018%20Report%20CY17%20Final%20Published%20with%20Exhibits(1).pdf (http://dhcfp.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dhcfpnvgov/content/Resources/Rates/2018%20Report%20CY17%20Final%20Published%20with%20Exhibits(1).pdf) on page 40 it says that in 2017 there were 6304 beds in Nevada. From 2008 to 2017 it's an average growth rate of 1.46%. Average growth would mean about 6585 beds in 2020. But let's use the max growth of 4.28% so that would be 7149 beds in 2020. This results in 2.38 beds per 1000 population which is 10% higher than any of the previous years. Based on the number of beds per hospital on page 30 the average Nevada hospital has 308 beds. So best case is assuming a net of (7149 - 6304) / 308 = 2.7 hospitals were opened since 2017.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/091.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/091.pdf) says Nevada occupancy rate is 74% in 2015. But let's take best case which is 60% in 1990. So 7149 * 40% = 2859 beds are available.

The average month contains 365.25 / 12 = 30.4375 days per month. In a given month Nevada has 2859 * 30.4375 = 87020 patient days available to handle hospitalizations beyond normal conditions.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm) says the hospitalization rate for COVID19 is 12%. Let's assume these tested people are the only infected people. Assuming the same infection rate as the flu means 3080000 * 11.53% = 355124 in Nevada will contract COVID19. 355124 * 12% = 42614 of them will be hospitalized in that 6 month period. For load balancing for best case scenario, that means 7104 hospitalizations per month.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext) says the average length of a hospital stay from COVID19 is 11 days. In a given month COVID19 hospitalizations require 7104 * 11 = 78145 patient days.

Remember that these numbers:
- Assume everyone that is infected was tested and no one else is infected
- Assume that COVID19 is only as contagious as the flu
- Assume no new flu infections or hospitalizations in a 2 week window
- Used minimum flu rates to get the lowest infection and hospitalization rates
- Hospitalization numbers are evenly balanced across the entire time period to prevent overloading one month
- Assume best case growth for hospital beds - net 2.7 hospitals opening since 2017
- Assume 100% efficiency in bed management

With all those assumptions Nevada hospitals would be at 60% + (78145 / 87027) * 40% = 95.9% occupancy.

Let's assume average scenario has average flu cases and bed growth. And let's assume worst case scenario has maximum flu cases and 0 bed growth. And for all scenarios maintaining that COVID19 has the same infection rate as the flu, ignore a 2 week window, hospitalizations are spread out to minimize bed occupancy, and 100% efficiency in bed management ends up with

Scenario	US Population (Column A)	Flu cases (Column B)	Flu Hospitalizations (Column C)	Nevada Population (Column D)	Nevada Total Beds (Column E)	NV Bed Occupancy Rate (Column F)	US Flu Cases Rate (Column G) (G = B / A)	US Flu Hospitalization Rate (Column H) (H = C / A)	NV COVID19 Hospitalizations (Column I) (I = D * G * .12)	NV COVID19 Hospitalizations Per Month (Column J) (J = I / 6)	NV Available Beds (Column K) (K = E * (1 - F))	NV Available Patient Days Per Month (Column L) (L = 30.4375 * K)	NV COVID19 Patient Days Per Month (Column M) (M = 11 * L)	NV Bed Occupancy Rate with COVID19 Per Month (Column N) (N = F + (M / L) * (1 - F))
Best	329500000	38000000	390000	3080000	7148.572	0.6	0.115	0.001	42624.583	7104.097	2859.429	87033.859	78145.068	0.959
Average	329500000	46000000	550000	3080000	6584.599	0.684	0.14	0.002	51598.179	8599.697	2080.733	63332.317	94596.662	1.156
Worst	329500000	54000000	710000	3080000	6304	0.74	0.164	0.002	60571.775	10095.296	1639.04	49888.28	111048.255	1.319

Nevada hospitals would be near full capacity in the best case scenario with some assumptions. In the other cases the hospitals are overloaded. In the average case Nevada is short 6584.599 * .15 = 987.690 beds. Which is about 987.690 / 308 = 3.2 hospitals.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/las-vegas-flu-rate-no-4-in-us-nevada-ranks-no-2-among-states-1893076/ (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/las-vegas-flu-rate-no-4-in-us-nevada-ranks-no-2-among-states-1893076/) says Nevada was one of the worst hit states in terms of the flu in Nov 2019. But you can also find articles like https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/nevada-seemingly-unscathed-during-one-of-nations-worst-flu-seasons-in-decades/ (https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/nevada-seemingly-unscathed-during-one-of-nations-worst-flu-seasons-in-decades/) that says Nevada was unscathed after that bad start.

If nothing changes and COVID19 is another flu then anyone that needs to go to the hospital may be out of luck.

The problem is the assumptions.

Right now its pretty steady at 10/10/10. So 10% of those tested have Coronavirus, 10% of those (or 1%) need hospitalization and 1% die, over 10X times the number for the traditional flu.

So if 38 million test positive, 3.8 million need hospitalization and 380,000 die. So that's why its so important that those 38million get spread over the largest period possible so that those 3.8 million needing hospitalization don't show up at once, forcing an Italy like situation where the death toll is up to 10% of those that have tested positive are dying. 5% right now in England. Worldwide, its been about 3.8%.

Hopefully in a year we have a vaccine in place to drop that 38 million down. But until then we need to do everything we can to slow the spread to give the hospitals a chance to stay ahead of it. Especially when you have so many traditional flu cases already hospitalized at the moment (last I saw 68% occupancy).

Quote from: Avatar on March 25, 2020, 09:49:50 AM
May fifth.

Of what year? (just kidding - I hope!)

Quote from: Lomez on March 24, 2020, 02:22:11 PM
Agree with Bob. We are in a status where we are all asking, "How much do I need this really? Can I live without this especially after taking a financial hit?" Accommodation may be key.

I think a few ladies (and houses) will work with "adjusted" rates once they are open again, Lomez.  I do not, however, see those who follow rigid guidelines of pricing surviving during these troubled times.   I think too that those ladies and houses that accommodate the regular clients are going to come out alright in the long run.  We're all in this together.

I think the ranches will open in July or August when the numbers of infected stabilize or decrease.

But I don't think all the houses will reopen. Once people live without something they start to second guess future purchases. The houses near Las Vegas will have the same free spending crowd that saved for their vacations. It's the rural houses that take time to visit and offer little outside entertainment for people that might take a bigger hit. Las Vegas will need shows and casinos open or the southern houses will stay closed.

Either way I don't see LPIN being the same. More so economically. Job security and savings are taking a hit. There wil be problems for months to come mostly financial.

I hope all the providers can ride through 2020's rough patch. I know I'm not the only one on this forum that appreciates getting to spend time with the providers in a legal safe setting.

I think the brothels can re-open on Friday, April 17, 2020, the day after Governor Sisolak's 2020-03-20 - COVID-19 Declaration of Emergency Directive 003 is no longer in effect.

Someone might tell him that brothels are only in rural Nevada counties, and there are none in the high tourist and highly populated areas of Clark County and Washoe County. Sisolak might try to convince those two counties to continue the majority of closures that was in his directive and maybe include Douglas County because of the high tourism in Stateline, Nevada, but let the other rural counties in Nevada make their own decisions on which businesses and services they want to close. If he gets too much flak from those in or near the capital he may try to have the counties of Carson City, Storey and Lyon included in extending closures saying that they aren't rural enough and too populated in persons per square mile and too close to the state capital, or he might just decide that only Elko, Lander, Eureka, and White Pine Counties to the northeast are rural enough to make their own closure determinations.

Here's my take on the numbers game. In UT by the last given numbers (Wed 3/25) doing the math of number testing positive vs. tested shows 5% and as I recall just one death so far. Now will that change likely so but hope it stays close as this would allow getting toward normal.

One small story I gleaned from the newspaper (like 4-6 small paragraphs) gives one a ray of hope. Seems a group has applied to the FDA for permission to try an old idea, its been used in the past with a few other diseases prior to getting vaccines. Its taking blood in this case plasma from people that have had the disease and then using it to help cure and/or act a some level of vaccine. As the story said some might call it cave or dark ages medicine. 

Quote from: bones on March 26, 2020, 08:12:40 AM
Here's my take on the numbers game. In UT by the last given numbers (Wed 3/25) doing the math of number testing positive vs. tested shows 5% and as I recall just one death so far. Now will that change likely so but hope it stays close as this would allow getting toward normal.

One small story I gleaned from the newspaper (like 4-6 small paragraphs) gives one a ray of hope. Seems a group has applied to the FDA for permission to try an old idea, its been used in the past with a few other diseases prior to getting vaccines. Its taking blood in this case plasma from people that have had the disease and then using it to help cure and/or act a some level of vaccine. As the story said some might call it cave or dark ages medicine.

The question with this one is that we don't know if after having the virus are you immune from getting it again? If that's the care then this process can work.

And the only way we will know is by increasing testing of asymptomatic people and finding out whether they get it again.

The fact is its getting worse everywhere. How much is showing up in the numbers depends on the amount of testing that is going on. Heck, California is so far backlogged in tests (over 14,000) that its hard to tell when they will have any kind of accurate numbers.

Back to the original question, I think April 11 is optimistic. May is more likely. But its going to change on a day to day basis as this virus passes through our country.

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Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/with-nevada-hospitals-short-on-beds-leaders-plan-for-the-unthinkable-1987094/

This is the concern. Testing is severely limited right now and they aren't reporting hospitalizations. I think the last number shows 150 beds avail. No idea with ventilators.

Since disagreeing with you will be concurred starting an argument Geo all I will say is you are back to your fear-mongering in a true liberal fashion.

Bussiness will reopen when the American public quits believing all the want to be dictators and takes back control of a free America.

Ha ha! I've been waiting years for this - for Geo to be call a Liberal!

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Quote from: georoc01 on March 24, 2020, 07:44:31 AM
Based upon the governor's press conference, it will be based upon when the number hospitalized from the virus drops down to what is manageable. I would expect at least 30 days. THey don't actually publish the number

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMjA2ZThiOWUtM2FlNS00MGY5LWFmYjUtNmQwNTQ3Nzg5N2I2IiwidCI6ImU0YTM0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

Your numbers 278 positive and only 4 deaths out of over 3 million people in Nevada ::)

They will open when the Governor finally realizes he has single handily has destroyed the economy of Nevada. Just who many businesses will never reopen? And will there be some major casinos that never reopen?
And yes some brothels probably won't reopen.  It will be interesting to see if Lance keeps his plans to expand to Winnemucca.
I would say between April 18 to May 1 but who knows with Sisolak.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/with-nevada-hospitals-short-on-beds-leaders-plan-for-the-unthinkable-1987094/

This is the concern. Testing is severely limited right now and they aren't reporting hospitalizations. I think the last number shows 150 beds avail. No idea with ventilators.

Since disagreeing with you will be concurred starting an argument Geo all I will say is you are back to your fear-mongering in a true liberal fashion.

Bussiness will reopen when the American public quits believing all the want to be dictators and takes back control of a free America.

Ha ha! I've been waiting years for this - for Geo to be call a Liberal!

That's how far to the right this board has shifted Voy. I haven't changed.

My wild guess would be May or June. As soon as the weather gets hot, as far as I know, most viruses die off. Now I am not a doctor, but just based on common knowledge and what I have gathered it (the virus) is a cold weather creature and is rendered much weaker when it gets warm. At least I am hopeful there will be a sharp down turn as the weather warms up barring any aberrations and/or mutations.

Best article I've read on the topic of when this will all be over:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-social-distancing-over-back-to-normal/608752/

Quote from: Jack Rackham on March 26, 2020, 10:34:43 PM
Best article I've read on the topic of when this will all be over:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-social-distancing-over-back-to-normal/608752/

So I probably have to get Covid-19 and recover and be immune, along with 60%-80% of the population until there is a vaccine to get the immunity percentage numbers up there, and then things will return to normal. For a vaccine, maybe one will be ready in the fall of 2021 flu season and they can combine it. So in the meantime, it's control the spread of Covis-19 so that the hospitals are not overloaded beyond capacity all at once, spread out the infection over time so that the number of hospitalized Covid-19 infections are more manageable. Until there is a vaccine, Covid-19 will continue to kill the susceptible where everyone takes their chances and hopes for recovery. What might piss me off is that if I get Covid-19 and recover, now immune and can't spread it to others, I still can't do the things I used to because of the many closures and restrictions still in place. Some people might have a natural immunity or resistance to Covid-19, but they don't know if that is the case or not or how to test for it yet. Maybe there should be communities where immune people can go back to living a normal life, businesses, services, entertainment open, while the rest of the country catches up with having more immune people.

Quote from: isurfer on March 26, 2020, 02:34:17 AM
I think the brothels can re-open on Friday, April 17, 2020, the day after Governor Sisolak's 2020-03-20 - COVID-19 Declaration of Emergency Directive 003 is no longer in effect.

Someone might tell him that brothels are only in rural Nevada counties, and there are none in the high tourist and highly populated areas of Clark County and Washoe County. Sisolak might try to convince those two counties to continue the majority of closures that was in his directive and maybe include Douglas County because of the high tourism in Stateline, Nevada, but let the other rural counties in Nevada make their own decisions on which businesses and services they want to close. If he gets too much flak from those in or near the capital he may try to have the counties of Carson City, Storey and Lyon included in extending closures saying that they aren't rural enough and too populated in persons per square mile and too close to the state capital, or he might just decide that only Elko, Lander, Eureka, and White Pine Counties to the northeast are rural enough to make their own closure determinations.

The only problem is the brothels might be in rural non tourist areas but the people who visit them often come from large population tourist areas and return to them after visiting the brothels.  Unlike the old Vegas saying of what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, The Coronavirus does not.

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Quote from: Jack Rackham on March 26, 2020, 10:34:43 PM
Best article I've read on the topic of when this will all be over:

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-social-distancing-over-back-to-normal/608752/

So I probably have to get Covid-19 and recover and be immune, along with 60%-80% of the population until there is a vaccine to get the immunity percentage numbers up there, and then things will return to normal. For a vaccine, maybe one will be ready in the fall of 2021 flu season and they can combine it. So in the meantime, it's control the spread of Covis-19 so that the hospitals are not overloaded beyond capacity all at once, spread out the infection over time so that the number of hospitalized Covid-19 infections are more manageable. Until there is a vaccine, Covid-19 will continue to kill the susceptible where everyone takes their chances and hopes for recovery. What might piss me off is that if I get Covid-19 and recover, now immune and can't spread it to others, I still can't do the things I used to because of the many closures and restrictions still in place. Some people might have a natural immunity or resistance to Covid-19, but they don't know if that is the case or not or how to test for it yet. Maybe there should be communities where immune people can go back to living a normal life, businesses, services, entertainment open, while the rest of the country catches up with having more immune people.

I hear ya. They used to isolate people (involuntarily) who had TB and other highly infectious diseases until cures and treatments were found so that the rest of society could get on with their lives. Pragmatically, it probably worked to some degree. But in today's age, people just don't have much of an appetite for it and it is infringing on personal freedom on some level. I do think though if someone is diagnosed positively and they are still walking around in society and not staying quarantined at home, they should receive a big fat fine or be sued for exposing people to harm. For example, you can already get sued for passing HIV to someone if you are found to be negligent. 

Quote from: MABretAF on March 27, 2020, 10:43:16 AM
You just know that the anti-LPIN people will try to use this to end/decrease/be even more controlling of LPIN. They'll try to keep the houses closed just as long as they can.

I don't wish them well. I wish they'd just stay the hell out of other people's consensual sex lives. Fuck them!

Bruce

Good luck on that!

It is no different that the noisy neighbor that wants to be in everyone else's business.

     Jack Rackham, good article, I do not think a lot of those that want to keep a strict lockdown till some undefined future time, do not realize that the earliest we are looking at a possible vaccine is 2021, and for those of us that would like to see a vaccine for the common cold or HIV, we will wait a while.  I think they need to consider that on planning to move forward, not just hope for a magic shot in the arm. 

Quote from: oldskiis on March 27, 2020, 01:30:44 PM
     Jack Rackham, good article, I do not think a lot of those that want to keep a strict lockdown till some undefined future time, do not realize that the earliest we are looking at a possible vaccine is 2021, and for those of us that would like to see a vaccine for the common cold or HIV, we will wait a while.  I think they need to consider that on planning to move forward, not just hope for a magic shot in the arm.

I think the question ends up being what would the butcher's bill look like. We are over 1,200 today. Is it 2,000? 50,000? 2,000,000?

That's the difficult question to answer that makes this challenging. Many areas are forecasted to peak until the end of April. Detroit, Chicago and New Orleans are forecasted to join New York city as hot spots this week. Los Angeles not far behind.

Not to be a downer, but...  my guess is maybe 1 year?   This shit is getting worse and worse by the day with no end in sight.   I think the lock down may even last until July or August.  Then, it will take another 6 months just to get things rolling again.   I hope I'm wrong!  :(

Quote from: ChicagoBob on March 27, 2020, 04:45:52 PM
Not to be a downer, but...  my guess is maybe 1 year?   This shit is getting worse and worse by the day with no end in sight.   I think the lock down may even last until July or August.  Then, it will take another 6 months just to get things rolling again.   I hope I'm wrong!  :(

You're probably right. Speaking only for myself, I'm fine without LPIN, but I hope the people, who depend on LPIN for a living, can ride this out.

Did anyone else get sent to a Pox party as a child?  What if just do that with COVID?  Get everyone infected all at once so it doesn't linger in the community forever. If it is going to happen anyway let us just get it over with so we can get back to normal sooner.

Highlander

JK by the way...sort of

Quote from: ChicagoBob on March 27, 2020, 04:45:52 PM
Not to be a downer, but...  my guess is maybe 1 year?   This shit is getting worse and worse by the day with no end in sight.   I think the lock down may even last until July or August.  Then, it will take another 6 months just to get things rolling again.   I hope I'm wrong!  :(

I'm more of an optimist. It's too early in the game, and I think it will be the rest of the Nevada economy of tourism/gambling that determines how "open" things will be and how soon and LPIN will just be a part of that wave. I don't think it will take 6 months to get things rolling again, especially with LPIN. Maybe one month in my opinion.

I'm guessing it will be a good while. My brother, ICU nurse in Vegas just crested positive for covid.  There aren't enough tests currently.  A couple weeks back a guy was having an elective surgery.. the nurses didn't have corona gear.  Later, in recovery, the guy became ill and later died.  He tested positive.  My brother got very sick a few days ago.  He had to keep working because of covid / needs for ICU nurses.  The hospital actually wouldn't test him for several days because he wouldn't be able to work while waiting for results.  He came back positive.

We're waiting to see if his wife, also a nurse, and 4 small kids get sick.  He's locked himself in a room in the house trying to keep away from the family.

I have an employee that lives with her BF and their baby.  He's a firefighter and got sick.. tested for flu, negative.  Tested for covid positive.  I sent the employee home the day she told me her BF was sick and told her to get tested.  They wouldn't give her a test because no symptoms... even though she was with the guy every night.

Numbers are still under reported because testing isn't happening in mass.

Everyone says warm weather will help.  It's been in the 80's and 90's in Florida and it's still spreading.

Quote from: Phoenix on March 27, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
I'm guessing it will be a good while. My brother, ICU nurse in Vegas just crested positive for covid.  There aren't enough tests currently.  A couple weeks back a guy was having an elective surgery.. the nurses didn't have corona gear.  Later, in recovery, the guy became ill and later died.  He tested positive.  My brother got very sick a few days ago.  He had to keep working because of covid / needs for ICU nurses.  The hospital actually wouldn't test him for several days because he wouldn't be able to work while waiting for results.  He came back positive.

We're waiting to see if his wife, also a nurse, and 4 small kids get sick.  He's locked himself in a room in the house trying to keep away from the family.

I have an employee that lives with her BF and their baby.  He's a firefighter and got sick.. tested for flu, negative.  Tested for covid positive.  I sent the employee home the day she told me her BF was sick and told her to get tested.  They wouldn't give her a test because no symptoms... even though she was with the guy every night.

Numbers are still under reported because testing isn't happening in mass.

Everyone says warm weather will help.  It's been in the 80's and 90's in Florida and it's still spreading.

I hope for the sake of their little baby that your employee's BF pulls through okay. Whoa that's tough :(

Sorry to hear that Florida couple. I hear stories like this day after day. Not enough test to test people. The doctors tell the people do not come to hospital unless you have breathing problems. Call ambulance and come then. A lot of people have been sent home because their co workers came up positive on a precautionary measure. They have asked to be tested and they have been told no. Not enough test. When you get shortness of breath then you can come. This is crazy. I hope they get More test and test everyone before they get to the critical stage. Crazy.
2020

Quote from: highlander on March 27, 2020, 05:17:14 PM
Did anyone else get sent to a Pox party as a child?  What if just do that with COVID?  Get everyone infected all at once so it doesn't linger in the community forever. If it is going to happen anyway let us just get it over with so we can get back to normal sooner.

Highlander

JK by the way...sort of

The question is whether this is a one shot deal or whether you can get it again. Word out of China is that doctors who tested positive and recovered in Wuhan promised have come down with it again and died.

So it may not be that simple.

Of course, since there is definitely an age component to who's most vulnerable, the question is do you really want to infect those say over 50?

Get a grip on what is real and not geo, as it appears your pushing more than what was said or printed, injecting your own version of it.

All I pointed out was that a trial using plasma (that's where antibodies are in blood) was being applied for to the FDA. Its an old idea used in the past, there's a lot of unknowns in its use on any new virus/disease, that's where science and good sound testing enter the mix. Your ideas are part of what will be determined by the testing, your not posting anything new just items to panic those who don't understand much about such things. By what I heard on the morning news one area of unknown is related to the core item immunity which my take some time to find the answers. Give the medical scientist time to do their job and do it correctly.

Quote from: ChicagoBob on March 24, 2020, 10:31:54 AM
Soon I hope... what kills many businesses is not the immediate loss of income as much as customer habits.  People tend to discover, and move onto, different things.  It may take years just to reach the same level as before.   

Having said that, I think some houses might have to do a reality check on pricing once this passes.  Most clients simply won't have the extra funds like they used to.   Many clients have taken a real beating on 401Ks, pensions, and their disposable income.   

The houses (and ladies) that continue to work with their clients are the ones that will survive.

Amusing  :) Let's talk reality. When the brothels open again, many clients will revisit and party again.  Great possibility, many clients DON'T LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK and they're not concerned about paying the LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICES.  ChicagoBob here's a past quote from you and I assume the prices you pay you're getting at least one hour:

"I pay between $300 - $400 at the rural brothels and $400 - $500 at the bigger brothels (including Sheri's).  It really depends on the lady and my mood."
--ChicagoBob

http://sex-in-nevada.net/smforum/index.php?topic=24112.msg290226#msg290226


Reality - many established ladies from the "bigger" houses or ladies in demand probably won't accept $400 - $500/hr and these ladies will survive, LOL.

Quote from: Phoenix on March 27, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
I'm guessing it will be a good while. My brother, ICU nurse in Vegas just crested positive for covid.  There aren't enough tests currently.  A couple weeks back a guy was having an elective surgery.. the nurses didn't have corona gear.  Later, in recovery, the guy became ill and later died.  He tested positive.  My brother got very sick a few days ago.  He had to keep working because of covid / needs for ICU nurses.  The hospital actually wouldn't test him for several days because he wouldn't be able to work while waiting for results.  He came back positive.

We're waiting to see if his wife, also a nurse, and 4 small kids get sick.  He's locked himself in a room in the house trying to keep away from the family.

I have an employee that lives with her BF and their baby.  He's a firefighter and got sick.. tested for flu, negative.  Tested for covid positive.  I sent the employee home the day she told me her BF was sick and told her to get tested.  They wouldn't give her a test because no symptoms... even though she was with the guy every night.

Numbers are still under reported because testing isn't happening in mass.

Everyone says warm weather will help.  It's been in the 80's and 90's in Florida and it's still spreading.Sorry to hear your brother. Hope it goes well for him and his family. My wife is a retired critical care nurse, and I'm sure glad she not working during this pandemic.

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Quote from: Phoenix on March 27, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
I'm guessing it will be a good while. My brother, ICU nurse in Vegas just crested positive for covid.  There aren't enough tests currently.  A couple weeks back a guy was having an elective surgery.. the nurses didn't have corona gear.  Later, in recovery, the guy became ill and later died.  He tested positive.  My brother got very sick a few days ago.  He had to keep working because of covid / needs for ICU nurses.  The hospital actually wouldn't test him for several days because he wouldn't be able to work while waiting for results.  He came back positive.

We're waiting to see if his wife, also a nurse, and 4 small kids get sick.  He's locked himself in a room in the house trying to keep away from the family.

I have an employee that lives with her BF and their baby.  He's a firefighter and got sick.. tested for flu, negative.  Tested for covid positive.  I sent the employee home the day she told me her BF was sick and told her to get tested.  They wouldn't give her a test because no symptoms... even though she was with the guy every night.

Numbers are still under reported because testing isn't happening in mass.

Everyone says warm weather will help.  It's been in the 80's and 90's in Florida and it's still spreading.

I hope for the sake of their little baby that your employee's BF pulls through okay. Whoa that's tough :(

His fever broke and he is feeling better today... the baby & my employee still no symptoms.  Keeping my hopes up. 

Quote from: vanityaffair on March 27, 2020, 08:36:54 PM
Sorry to hear that Florida couple. I hear stories like this day after day. Not enough test to test people. The doctors tell the people do not come to hospital unless you have breathing problems. Call ambulance and come then. A lot of people have been sent home because their co workers came up positive on a precautionary measure. They have asked to be tested and they have been told no. Not enough test. When you get shortness of breath then you can come. This is crazy. I hope they get More test and test everyone before they get to the critical stage. Crazy.
2020

I agree.. it's just proof whatever numbers we are seeing are extremely low.

Quote from: georoc01 on March 25, 2020, 12:04:25 PM
The problem is the assumptions.

Right now its pretty steady at 10/10/10. So 10% of those tested have Coronavirus, 10% of those (or 1%) need hospitalization and 1% die, over 10X times the number for the traditional flu.

So if 38 million test positive, 3.8 million need hospitalization and 380,000 die. So that's why its so important that those 38million get spread over the largest period possible so that those 3.8 million needing hospitalization don't show up at once, forcing an Italy like situation where the death toll is up to 10% of those that have tested positive are dying. 5% right now in England. Worldwide, its been about 3.8%.

Hopefully in a year we have a vaccine in place to drop that 38 million down. But until then we need to do everything we can to slow the spread to give the hospitals a chance to stay ahead of it. Especially when you have so many traditional flu cases already hospitalized at the moment (last I saw 68% occupancy).

georoc01,

That's is a good summary and the "10/10/10" is an easy way to remember the percentages (so far) for COVID-19.

In 12 months, it would be interesting to compare with the Swine flu pandemic of 2009 (which I barely remember hearing or seeing much in the media) where here in America, 60 million people caught it & about 12,000 died from it. Since COVID-19 appears to be more deadly, hopefully all the "social distancing" measures enacted will
make a difference so the hospitals can keep up with the need for patients who require a ventilator. 

I've also read that a significant number (more than I expected) of patients who are in ICU with a ventilator are still dying?...any ideas as to why?...I thought if these people got into an ICU with a ventilator they'd have a really good chance of surviving COVID-19 since the ventilator is breathing for them. Is it that maybe they just arrived at the hospital too late (i.e. waited too long to go there)? or the virus just multiplies too quickly for the body's immune system to catch up?

The Hiking Guy

Quote from: MABretAF on April 01, 2020, 12:15:44 PM

..The Nv Governor issued a stay-at-home order today for the month of April, per a radio report. That's good; I hope people follow it.

Bruce

I am ready to stay home:  Sheris Ranch home, Bunny Ranch home, Mustang Ranch home.

I agree, but for me It's Inez's D&D home and Mona's Ranch home. They say home is where the hardon is. I really miss these places.

Bruce,

Thanks for that website. I like how they also track ventilators needed and also break down
the results by states. I've saved off a result page for the US and my state (Maryland) today
and will track that each week--curious to see how well their model tracks reality and how
well they update their model as more data comes in. I also like how they show (shaded
area in the graphs) the upper & lower bounds of their model to evaluate whether their
model is over or under predicting the actual results as time progresses.

The Hiking Guy

Quote from: MABretAF on April 01, 2020, 11:38:27 AM
Here's a link to a site called the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME). They're located at the University of Washington. Apparently there are different computer models for predicting COVID19 spread and impact. Per the model used by IHME, the States in the U.S. will face the peak effects in April and May with cases and deaths dropping off significantly in later May and on through June. It looks like late June through July/Aug would be the most likely time frame to reopen businesses, per this site. (This kind of matches the U.S. military guesstimates.)

Whether that will include opening brothels and strip clubs for regular operations in Jul/Aug is a guess. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I think the anti-LPIN freaks will try to use this to attack LPIN and further control it, at least. I hope they will not have success. (I wonder whether the LPIN political influencers (lobbyists) are preparing to push the Nv government to open LPIN when all/most other businesses are opened, and travel resumes, etc.)

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

To get that same sites' data for Nevada, select "COVID-19 US state-by-state projections"

Per that site's 'best guess,' cases will peak in Nv in late April, with over a thousand bed shortage in Nv hospitals, and a shortage of ICU beds and ventilators. This site projects double-digit deaths per day from early Apr (5 Apr) through late May, with a maximum number of deaths per day reaching approximately 30 or more from about 18-26 April.

Of course, that specific projection is their educated 'best guess,' but it falls within a range of as few as 15 deaths per day to over 60 per day. Let's hope the lower projections turn out to be accurate, but I'm thinking it will trend toward the worst-case scenario until a complete stay-at-home order is given. (Just my guess.)

Take care of yourselves!
Bruce

As soon as the casinos begin to open back up, it'll be a good indicator for the brothels.

With all of this chaos and madness, I could use a little TLC...

Quote from: SToN3y on April 01, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
As soon as the casinos begin to open back up, it'll be a good indicator for the brothels.

With all of this chaos and madness, I could use a little TLC...

Me too.

'Till the death rate bottoms out, for at least thirty days,  then thirty days after that.

I am raising my estimate to June 1st.

Not to sound too pessimistic but until a vaccine comes out i think a majority like me will not express it but deep down internally that's the vibe they get.
Virus has yet to hit it's peak also not to mention a possible 2nd wave.

Quote from: Rolex79 on April 02, 2020, 08:42:52 PM
Not to sound too pessimistic but until a vaccine comes out i think a majority like me will not express it but deep down internally that's the vibe they get.
Virus has yet to hit it's peak also not to mention a possible 2nd wave.

I'm with Rolex79 on this one.

Quote from: Shooter on April 02, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
I am raising my estimate to June 1st.

I hope your wrong. :)   I have a May trip book . Was April moved it to May. 
But it might get moved again to late June. :( 
If not it will be August or November before I can get to Nevada.

I have a late June trip to NV planned, but I'm not hopeful that it's going to happen. I made reservations for some attractions at Great Basin National Park then on to Elko. I hope a vaccine is developed soon.

Quote from: Wildfire on April 03, 2020, 04:13:37 AM

Quote from: Shooter on April 02, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
I am raising my estimate to June 1st.

I hope your wrong. :)   I have a May trip book . Was April moved it to May. 
But it might get moved again to late June. :( 
If not it will be August or November before I can get to Nevada.

I hope thee are open by May just like I hope I sm back to work in may I have been off for something like.3 weeks now.🤔 feels like 6 months.  What I do to earn a paycheck isn't much different then the support staff meaning what the non working girls do in the brothels.

Quote from: MABretAF on April 03, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
I posted on another thread about an article in the Washington Post where a number of 'experts' are questioning the computer models being used by the White House. Normally, I wouldn't post the same info in multiple threads, but this thread has also covered discussing theses models, timing, number of deaths, etc. There's not much about "timing" of the Covid-19 impacts in this article; mostly it's about the number of deaths, and the model in general.

Here's the link in case you want to read it:

Experts and Trump's advisers doubt White House's 240,000 coronavirus deaths estimate

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/experts-and-trumps-advisers-doubt-white-houses-240000-coronavirus-deaths-estimate/ar-BB125ZfP?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Bruce

The "experts" blame Trump for using the "experts" numbers.

This is what the liberals do - spout a bunch of guesses and then blame others using their guesses.

Quote from: MABretAF on April 03, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
I posted on another thread about an article in the Washington Post where a number of 'experts' are questioning the computer models being used by the White House. Normally, I wouldn't post the same info in multiple threads, but this thread has also covered discussing theses models, timing, number of deaths, etc. There's not much about "timing" of the Covid-19 impacts in this article; mostly it's about the number of deaths, and the model in general.

Here's the link in case you want to read it:

Experts and Trump's advisers doubt White House's 240,000 coronavirus deaths estimate

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/experts-and-trumps-advisers-doubt-white-houses-240000-coronavirus-deaths-estimate/ar-BB125ZfP?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Bruce

What's challenging is that many of those factors are changing every day. I know here in Colorado ts been a race to get hospital beds, especially ICU beds online before the surge in our state. But the factors change. Once you solve beds, then its manpower and ventilators. And right now when the feds rank the states that are most critical, Colorado is in the 3rd tier behind NY and many of the southeastern states and Michigan.

This situation could very well last a year or more.

Likely mid to late June.   Optimistically, Memorial Day weekend.

Viruses tend to run their course.  This being a new one, that course will be longer (assuming like most corona viruses, once you have it you are immune) because it can hop to anyone as noone is immune. It will peak and peter out.  And then somewhere along the line, things will start to open up. Hence my mid June guess.

But, I think there will be a part 2.  Viruses come back.  Once people start moving again, a few months, or a year or two down the line, we could get another wave.  For this, keep your eye on China as they are starting to reopen.

Real numbers of sick people and people who have had it and have no symptoms  are definitely higher - there aren't enough tests to even test all of the serious cases (that's what happens with new viruses - everything needs to be invented). 

We also know it is DEVASTATING to some groups.  A single old age home near me had 13 people die as it spread through before anyone knew what was happening (there are lots of other examples). We also know it is very contagious.... look at the cruise ships that were quarantined, and look at Europe. The real challenge is balancing overwhelming the healthcare systems so that fewer people may die and minimizing total panic.

We will get through this, the light will shine again, and when that happens, I know that I for one (and I suspect the an awful lot of others) will be very horny, and very ready to party again.  Until then we need to stay safe, and help each other as best we can.

Quote from: Randy Marsh on April 03, 2020, 08:59:14 PM
This situation could very well last a year or more.

Yeah, I think this way too.

Based on today's Nevada governor announcement it doesn't sound like LPIN is opening in May. 

https://www.fox5vegas.com/coronavirus/gov-sisolak-says-nevadas-stay-at-home-order-will-be-extended/article_155c9d68-8a44-11ea-ae27-eb481a9c6f10.html

So I am hoping LPIN opens back sometime in the summer. 

Quote from: Adventure Guy on April 29, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
Based on today's Nevada governor announcement it doesn't sound like LPIN is opening in May. 

https://www.fox5vegas.com/coronavirus/gov-sisolak-says-nevadas-stay-at-home-order-will-be-extended/article_155c9d68-8a44-11ea-ae27-eb481a9c6f10.html

So I am hoping LPIN opens back sometime in the summer.

Unfortunate, though sadly unsurprising at this point...

I just hope he doesn't do a "one size fits all" approach for reopening Nevada (assuming he even has a plan). This shutdown is suffocating the small towns.

As of today according to the Nevada governor many businesses will reopen starting May 15.  But that will not include casinos, bars & nightclubs as part of phase 1.  So LPIN is probably sometime later.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/sisolak-says-most-nevada-businesses-will-reopen-by-may-15-2018190/

Quote from: Adventure Guy on April 30, 2020, 07:28:20 PM
As of today according to the Nevada governor many businesses will reopen starting May 15.  But that will not include casinos, bars & nightclubs as part of phase 1.  So LPIN is probably sometime later.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/sisolak-says-most-nevada-businesses-will-reopen-by-may-15-2018190/

Small victories. At the VERY least, he's going to loosen the reins on the smaller counties and allow local officials to determine the best approach towards reopening their businesses and adhering to the guidelines set by the state. I think his biggest targets in regards to the plan are the large cities like Reno and LV. Maybe this means, a few weeks down the road, the brothels may have to do an "appointments only" or "call ahead" model to avoid having too many people congregating in the bar area!

The Nevada gov seems to really have a hard-on for the rural counties.  Too many republican votes out that way and the attitude of let them eat cake.   

If this goes on long enough, do I get my virginity back? :)

Quote from: RoxyGold on May 03, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
If this goes on long enough, do I get my virginity back? :)

Mr would like to take your renewed virginity  ;D.  LOL

Quote from: RoxyGold on May 03, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
If this goes on long enough, do I get my virginity back? :)

Gonna say without fear of contradiction that the way Roxy has handled this whole ... situation ... full of cheer, spirit and partially clothed pictures will redound to get benefit when things get back to whatever normal is.

Nevada Governor will present his plan to reopen the state next Thursday, so until then it is a guess work.

The huge unknown question will his plan be different for the rural areas then the urban or will it still be his one size fits all that mainly centers on the urban and what benefits there.

If his plan is continue the course, kick the can down the road, it could get him a tree, horse and a rope.

Based on the current status, barbers having to wear masks and shields, restaurants putting up shields and curtains, I don't see this ending for LPIN soon. Maybe years, maybe never.

Given the current slow state of opening, I really think it will be quite awhile. After all LPIN is the exact opposite of social distancing.

What concerns me more than when the ranches will reopen, will be how many of the ladies might return. Some likely will return but then again some wont, and the loss of especially those that had spent some time in the business means that talent base gone which could have benefited and aided the new ladies to the business in ways that can't be calculated.

Just how many brothel-owners will be back?   So many unknown factors. They really have to decide is it worth all the headaches.  Could it be only 3 survive?  Mustang,  Bunny Ranch, and Sheri's?  So even with fewer ladies willing to work they could keep the house full and command top prices.

Plus next year is when the Nevada assembly committee sponsored by Assemblywoman Jill Tolles under AB166 is to make their report and recommendations on brothels and prostitution.   So COVID-19 could give then an easy out and cover to just end the brothels.   

I know Mr. Neagative or is it realistic?   Yes, I want thing to return back to the way it was before COVID-19.

Quote from: Wildfire on May 14, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
Just how many brothel-owners will be back?   So many unknown factors. They really have to decide is it worth all the headaches.  Could it be only 3 survive?  Mustang,  Bunny Ranch, and Sheri's?  So even with fewer ladies willing to work they could keep the house full and command top prices.

Plus next year is when the Nevada assembly committee sponsored by Assemblywoman Jill Tolles under AB166 is to make their report and recommendations on brothels and prostitution.   So COVID-19 could give then an easy out and cover to just end the brothels.   

I know Mr. Neagative or is it realistic?   Yes, I want thing to return back to the way it was before COVID-19.

I think everything you are saying here is entirely plausible, Wildfire. It would not surprise me at all unfortunately.

After weeks of lockdown, downtown Elko is beginning to come to life again. On May 9 Gov. Steve Sisolak allowed restaurants, hair and nail salons, and most retail businesses to reopen under strict social distancing guidelines. Nightclubs, gyms, entertainment facilities, bowling alleys, strip clubs, brothels, massage parlors, spas, tattoo parlors, and casinos must remain closed. - Elko Daily

I too have heard Elko is opening before anywhere else.   8)

Two weeks ago.

I may have to buy me one of those fucking dolls.

OPEN, OPEN, OPEN

https://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint

Quote from: hikingguy2013 on May 19, 2020, 06:16:39 AM
https://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint

Sounds  LOT less appealing than it used to be,doesn't it?

Quote from: Voyeur on May 19, 2020, 09:39:53 AM

Quote from: hikingguy2013 on May 19, 2020, 06:16:39 AM
https://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint

Sounds  LOT less appealing than it used to be,doesn't it?

Well, its what I would expect. Wear a mask while entering, take your temp and mandatory showers. I expect they will do everything you limit your time in the parlor as well.

I went to the dentist yesterday. I waited out in the car till my appointment and the dentist was ready. They called me I came up to the door, wearing my mask. They took my temp. Had me fill out a quick survey they I hadn't been out of country or had any symptoms. Then went back, they had me wash my hands and then remove my mask. Once they were done I put my mask back on as I was escorted out of the building.

I don't mind the safety precautions but only having 12 girls available thus limiting the selection sounds no bueno.

Hoping all N houses will open by July 1, very much wishing c*mc 22 (23?) goes forward.   Armond

I'm hoping that once the houses open, we can take our mask off during the party.  Kissing, kissing, kissing.

Looks like mandatory temperature checks, showers, and masks going forward. I'm guessing no kissing. The madam posted on Twitter one strike you're out

http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint (http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint)

Quote from: Phoenix on May 19, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
Looks like mandatory temperature checks, showers, and masks going forward. I'm guessing no kissing. The madam posted on Twitter one strike you're out

http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint (http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint)

The epidemiologist they interviewed makes it seem like the brothels are less dangerous than a bar or night club.

I do wonder if certain counties will open up sooner than others. That's been the case in the state where I live!

Quote from: Phoenix on May 19, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
Looks like mandatory temperature checks, showers, and masks going forward. I'm guessing no kissing. The madam posted on Twitter one strike you're out

http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint (http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint)

I would be fine with all those rules put in place.The masks part seems unrealistic. Sweating and activity will make breathing difficult.

Kissing is probably taken off the table. That's fine. Kissing is more intimate than sex.

I hope the brothels do reopen soon. Too many people in the industry suffered financially. Especially because the government excluded them from the Care Act funding

Quote from: Weeeper75 on May 20, 2020, 06:38:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix on May 19, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
Looks like mandatory temperature checks, showers, and masks going forward. I'm guessing no kissing. The madam posted on Twitter one strike you're out

http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint (http://news3lv.com/news/local/masks-and-temperture-checks-brothel-madams-talk-reopening-blueprint)

The epidemiologist they interviewed makes it seem like the brothels are less dangerous than a bar or night club.

I do wonder if certain counties will open up sooner than others. That's been the case in the state where I live!

I have to say I always felt safer going to the brothels than a club. I never sweated the STI test results at the clinic compared to a visit after a one night stand.

I think the ones in Nye or a larger brothel will be the first and the rural ones last to reopen.

Don't know why you think that? Larger brothel? Why?

Quote from: wb69 on May 21, 2020, 06:50:07 PM
Don't know why you think that? Larger brothel? Why?

I think bigger because they are near larger entertainment centers. In Nye you have several casinos, desert for atvs,  winery, and golf courses.

Smaller ones don't have much drawing people in, unless a festival or event is in town.

I wish I could get in the Nevada Governor's head.  I'm not sure what his end game is.  He has totally trashed the K-12 and higher ed in his state.  There is such a huge budget hole, I don't know how he is is going to dig out.  The longer casinos, bars and brothels are closed the deeper the hole becomes.  When does he let the rest of the state open? 

Quote from: hoten on May 24, 2020, 05:17:45 PM
I wish I could get in the Nevada Governor's head.  I'm not sure what his end game is.  He has totally trashed the K-12 and higher ed in his state.  There is such a huge budget hole, I don't know how he is is going to dig out.  The longer casinos, bars and brothels are closed the deeper the hole becomes.  When does he let the rest of the state open?

When in doubt, assume the obvious.

In this case:  Power.

(What makes you think he cares?)

Just read an article on a Nevada paper website. The Governor has set June 4th as the date for casinos to reopen.

Maybe that will be good news for the brothels. I hope soon everyone in the LPIN industry can stay above water and recover from the current financial situation in place because of business closers for the past ten weeks

Not a single one of us has a crystal ball capable of seeing what/when/how any of the ranches will reopen nor who the ladies will be until it actually happen. So until then all is pure guesswork and speculation. The only solid thing is in the hope that they do at some point open again for the ladies/owners/staff, which likely are wanting to again work and serve the customers.

True it has been 10 weeks now.  The June 4th opening is not set in stone until this Tuesday ( tomorrow) when the Governator will tell us for sure. If there is any spike in cases over Memorial weekend they will not reopen on the 4th.

The old chestnut "if there is a spike in cases, we will have to keep her shutdown."  The sad part about staying shutdown for ever affects everyone.  School kids not having class, college and university students taking classes on line and everyone not working in an essential business.   Maybe the Nevada gov wants to make Nevada into a third world country. 

Quote from: hoten on May 25, 2020, 05:06:40 PM
The old chestnut "if there is a spike in cases, we will have to keep her shutdown."  The sad part about staying shutdown for ever affects everyone.  School kids not having class, college and university students taking classes on line and everyone not working in an essential business.   Maybe the Nevada gov wants to make Nevada into a third world country.

Maybe, he has a third world doctor (Unlicenced in U.S.) as head of Nevada's Health.

Me too. I hope we still can have our yearly events. I look forward to it every year.
XO Vanity

One big thing in the mix is that it takes several days to near 2 weeks from the time a person is infected until sick showing symptoms. Thus any spike in new cases due to the holiday weekend wont be really seen yet, so they will be guessing at best what to expect.

Quote from: hoten on May 25, 2020, 05:06:40 PM
The old chestnut "if there is a spike in cases, we will have to keep her shutdown."  The sad part about staying shutdown for ever affects everyone.  School kids not having class, college and university students taking classes on line and everyone not working in an essential business.   Maybe the Nevada gov wants to make Nevada into a third world country.

The thing is, how fast when they reopen will they reach enough capacity to bring back their workforce?

I've been hearing that most conferences for 2020 in Vegas has pretty much been cancelled. The next major one is CES in January.

Now what might happen is that the NHL might take over some of these empty hotels and finish their season out there like the NBA is planning at Disney World.

I think the Vegas conferences are vital for Sheri's.

 >:(

Quote from: cactus Jack on May 26, 2020, 02:13:14 PM
I think the Vegas conferences are vital for Sheri's.

I agree 100%!   Sheri's can't survive without Vegas.

Quote from: ChicagoBob on May 26, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
>:(

Quote from: cactus Jack on May 26, 2020, 02:13:14 PM
I think the Vegas conferences are vital for Sheri's.

I agree 100%!   Sheri's can't survive without Vegas.

I disagree. With only 12 ladies to begin with after reopening, I think Sheri's will survive. When they get the okay to open back up, what I would do is find out who the top earners were and contact them to see when and if they want to come back. Top earners yearly, monthly or by tour. There must be a few courtesans at Sheri's that have some high paying regular clients that spend tens of thousands of dollars or more. If Sheri's doesn't get a full house of 12 high earning courtesans at any one time and a courtesan from another brothel wants to move in, a 1099 for tax year 2019 from a Nevada brothel might convince Sheri's to give her a shot at working if she made a lot of money last year at a different brothel. Others can be on a waiting list, or in the event that a big spending client wants to go to Sheri's for a day or two to have an appointment with a favorite courtesan, Sheri's will make an exception for her and take another courtesan off the floor or have her work only in a specialty room or bungalow.

For the big dollar 5 and 6 figure parties, I doubt that many are conventioners and conference guys that only go to Vegas once a year. If a business owner or someone has big bucks, he can fly in at any time. Gamblers might hit it big in Vegas and want to splurge on a lavish party, and might not need the conferences and conventions to draw them to Vegas. From what I remember, Vegas strip clubs rely on conventions and conferences more than LPIN, at least for getting the smaller customers that only want to spend one or two thousand on some entertainment.

Which do you think will open up first LPIN or escorts in vegas? My guess is that as soon as the casino hotels open there will be working girls ready to offer their services.

Quote from: cactus Jack on May 28, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
Which do you think will open up first LPIN or escorts in vegas? My guess is that as soon as the casino hotels open there will be working girls ready to offer their services.

I think it will be very much like LPIN. Some ladies will come back as soon as they can. Others may hold off or do fewer, longer parties with regulars. Many are doing online stuff right now and if its bringing it enough income, may hold out longer.

We will see.

Article published today that describes how Bella has been trying to get open in phase 2. 

https://sierranevadaally.org/2020/06/02/nevada-brothel-operator-questions-rationale-for-keeping-brothels-closed/

I suspect it will happen when other businesses that were legally operating when the shutdown occurred so the brothels just get swept in without having to announce them.  You know the Nevada gov is a woke individual. 

Quote from: Adventure Guy on June 02, 2020, 02:33:42 PM
Article published today that describes how Bella has been trying to get open in phase 2. 

https://sierranevadaally.org/2020/06/02/nevada-brothel-operator-questions-rationale-for-keeping-brothels-closed/

Ask Bella if her front door was open?

Then ask her if the back door was open?

See if her face changes?

Hopefully soon. I'm mostly a lurker in this community but have been here for a few months and have had a lot of fun in the limited experiences i've had in brothels. Can't Wait to go back and Visit Inez' and Mona's again.

I'm still predicting Phase 4 sometime in July.

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 03, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
I'm still predicting Phase 4 sometime in July.

Your spot on Phase 4.  Now July is a bit optimistic.  But who knows does Nevada even have a phased plan?  It looks like that's a no and Sisolak is just making it up on the fly.

Quote from: Wildfire on June 03, 2020, 01:17:00 PM

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 03, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
I'm still predicting Phase 4 sometime in July.

Your spot on Phase 4.  Now July is a bit optimistic.  But who knows does Nevada even have a phased plan?  It looks like that's a no and Sisolak is just making it up on the fly.

I can find nothing published online showing their reopening plan. How many phases or when they will be met.

I thought in the CDC recommendation, that phase 4 wouldn't be until either a vaccine is widely available or herd immunity would be achieved that would allow gatherings of over 50 people at one time.

But every state is doing their own thing. And I agree, that the Nevada governor seems to be doing this on the fly with no actual plan.

The casino are suppose to reopen soon.  He had some kind of mumbo jumbo about active cases and the number of new positive tests. 

Quote from: hoten on June 03, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
The casino are suppose to reopen soon.  He had some kind of mumbo jumbo about active cases and the number of new positive tests.

They opened at midnight last night. Taking temps of everyone as they entered

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/downtown/las-vegas-casinos-reopen-after-78-days-of-being-dark-blog-2044745/

That's a start. 

A good sign... my amigos tell me TJ brothels reopened today! 

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 12, 2020, 07:59:16 PM
A good sign... my amigos tell me TJ brothels reopened today!

But is the border open? Last I heard it was still closed

It's open at San Ysidro.

Gov announced today that Nevada is remaining at phase 2 for now.  No additional openings.

Well Wynn is opening up its buffet again I see that as a good sign. You have more chances of catching Covid-19 at the buffets than at any of the brothels

You can thank the protesters for the delay in LPIN.  ::)

Quote from: Triton on June 15, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Gov announced today that Nevada is remaining at phase 2 for now.  No additional openings.

Well, that's annoying... a slight spike in cases and he gets cold feet.

2-3 weeks was always a minimum, anyway. We'll see what happens June 30, I guess...

I'm going to reno at the end of the month. I wonder if I can place a bet on what day the brothels reopen?    ::) ::)

BTW: Don't know if it's true or not but after seeing what has happened in AZ, Texas, CA. and other states with the Covid 19 taking a huge jump, I understand the Nevada gaming commission is considering making it mandatory to wear mask in casinos. My feeling is I think they might rather then seeing the Casinos shut down again.  If wearing mask in casinos happens, you could probably push the opening of the brothels back. Way back!  ::)

Quote from: SToN3y on June 16, 2020, 04:59:58 AM

Quote from: Triton on June 15, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Gov announced today that Nevada is remaining at phase 2 for now.  No additional openings.

Well, that's annoying... a slight spike in cases and he gets cold feet.

2-3 weeks was always a minimum, anyway. We'll see what happens June 30, I guess...

Current data shows 346 hospitalized, but no locations. Nevada is very private on their hospitalization data, which has become the real number to look at going forward.

Some groups should have filed lawsuits awhile back. At least Wisconsin overturned their Gov. This is just to keep the economy down until the election to hurt TRUMP in most of the states that have not opened yet. Not to mention the moral police to keep the brothels closed. My guess August :-[

Quote from: georoc01 on June 16, 2020, 05:37:13 AM

Quote from: SToN3y on June 16, 2020, 04:59:58 AM

Quote from: Triton on June 15, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Gov announced today that Nevada is remaining at phase 2 for now.  No additional openings.

Well, that's annoying... a slight spike in cases and he gets cold feet.

2-3 weeks was always a minimum, anyway. We'll see what happens June 30, I guess...

Current data shows 346 hospitalized, but no locations. Nevada is very private on their hospitalization data, which has become the real number to look at going forward.

Well in the northern areas, there are only so many hospitals, Carson City only has 1, Washoe has 4, Elko/Winnimucca I think only 1 or 2.
Douglas Co. is serviced by Carson City Hospital, same for Lyon

Quote from: cronuswalker on June 16, 2020, 10:51:01 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on June 16, 2020, 05:37:13 AM

Quote from: SToN3y on June 16, 2020, 04:59:58 AM

Quote from: Triton on June 15, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Gov announced today that Nevada is remaining at phase 2 for now.  No additional openings.

Well, that's annoying... a slight spike in cases and he gets cold feet.

2-3 weeks was always a minimum, anyway. We'll see what happens June 30, I guess...

Current data shows 346 hospitalized, but no locations. Nevada is very private on their hospitalization data, which has become the real number to look at going forward.

Well in the northern areas, there are only so many hospitals, Carson City only has 1, Washoe has 4, Elko/Winnimucca I think only 1 or 2.
Douglas Co. is serviced by Carson City Hospital, same for Lyon

Northeast Nevada has a single hospital in Elko.

https://www.nnrhospital.com/

Quote from: cactus Jack on June 13, 2020, 02:30:50 PM
It's open at San Ysidro.

We just restarted flights to Mexico, but its for repatriation/essential personnel only. They are saying the Mexican border is closed till July 21.

Whether its enforced or not, I don't know.

Quote from: georoc01 on June 16, 2020, 11:08:08 AM

Quote from: cronuswalker on June 16, 2020, 10:51:01 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on June 16, 2020, 05:37:13 AM

Quote from: SToN3y on June 16, 2020, 04:59:58 AM

Quote from: Triton on June 15, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Gov announced today that Nevada is remaining at phase 2 for now.  No additional openings.

Well, that's annoying... a slight spike in cases and he gets cold feet.

2-3 weeks was always a minimum, anyway. We'll see what happens June 30, I guess...

Current data shows 346 hospitalized, but no locations. Nevada is very private on their hospitalization data, which has become the real number to look at going forward.

Well in the northern areas, there are only so many hospitals, Carson City only has 1, Washoe has 4, Elko/Winnimucca I think only 1 or 2.
Douglas Co. is serviced by Carson City Hospital, same for Lyon

Northeast Nevada has a single hospital in Elko.

https://www.nnrhospital.com/

And your point is Geo!

And if you don't know they have a couple of companies providing medical transfers with helicopters and fix winges aircraft to transfer patients to a higher level of care.
Normally in Salt Lake City or Reno but not limited to those locations.
But to anyone who is afraid to go then don't if they re-open the brothels. But just remember nothing in life is 100% safe.

Somethings like Aamps and escorts out of private settings here in California, never really closed. As of last week with motels now open, Escorts are back in business, Amp's the regulated ones can open officially on the 19th, many have opened earlier with their extras.
Hope Lpin opens soon, FYI 's CA has lot more Covid than NV, don't know what's holding the Governor back.

Quote from: georoc01 on June 17, 2020, 06:34:56 AM

Quote from: cactus Jack on June 13, 2020, 02:30:50 PM
It's open at San Ysidro.

We just restarted flights to Mexico, but its for repatriation/essential personnel only. They are saying the Mexican border is closed till July 21.

Whether its enforced or not, I don't know.

I get the feeling that if CB wants to get some of that Mexican tail, something as small as a border isn't gonna stop him! Especially since the last few months have been particularly dry! ;)

The border is "officially" closed to nonessential business, although my amigos tell me it never closed at all.   It's just on paper and nobody enforces it.  If you do get asked entering Mexico, just say you have a dentist appointment or need to pickup your prescriptions.   The US has to let you back in if you are a US citizen.  I'm planning on July 13th if LPIN is still closed.  You guys are welcome to join me!    I went over the holidays with another SIN member and we had a blast!

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 17, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
The border is "officially" closed to nonessential business, although my amigos tell me it never closed at all.   It's just on paper and nobody enforces it.  If you do get asked entering Mexico, just say you have a dentist appointment or need to pickup your prescriptions.   The US has to let you back in if you are a US citizen.  I'm planning on July 13th if LPIN is still closed.  You guys are welcome to join me!    I went over the holidays with another SIN member and we had a blast!

How safe is the legal prostitution there compared to Nevada? Mandatory condom usage and health checks?

Quote from: Triton on June 17, 2020, 09:45:20 PM

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 17, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
The border is "officially" closed to nonessential business, although my amigos tell me it never closed at all.   It's just on paper and nobody enforces it.  If you do get asked entering Mexico, just say you have a dentist appointment or need to pickup your prescriptions.   The US has to let you back in if you are a US citizen.  I'm planning on July 13th if LPIN is still closed.  You guys are welcome to join me!    I went over the holidays with another SIN member and we had a blast!

How safe is the legal prostitution there compared to Nevada? Mandatory condom usage and health checks?

It's the same.  The girls are licensed, carry a SW card, and get the same SD tests.   Condoms are the same.    The only difference is price.

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 18, 2020, 02:43:26 AM

Quote from: Triton on June 17, 2020, 09:45:20 PM

Quote from: ChicagoBob on June 17, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
The border is "officially" closed to nonessential business, although my amigos tell me it never closed at all.   It's just on paper and nobody enforces it.  If you do get asked entering Mexico, just say you have a dentist appointment or need to pickup your prescriptions.   The US has to let you back in if you are a US citizen.  I'm planning on July 13th if LPIN is still closed.  You guys are welcome to join me!    I went over the holidays with another SIN member and we had a blast!

How safe is the legal prostitution there compared to Nevada? Mandatory condom usage and health checks?

It's the same.  The girls are licensed, carry a SW card, and get the same SD tests.   Condoms are the same.    The only difference is price.

I guess it a personal interpretation of what is safe it is Mexico.
With plenty of shady activities going on.
I would definitely pass.

So the health side of things is the same, safety-wise? In which case the only concerns would be non-mongering issues (gangs, drugs, etc). I've been reading up and apparently Zona Norte, where the brothels are, is safe provided you don't do anything stupid like stagger out of a bar drunk and head down an alleyway or something. Tripadvisor research suggests that there are plenty of police around the tourist area. Doesn't appear to be any less safe than any other foreign destination, and the same principles re keeping your wits about you, would apply.  Interesting...

Ironically, last year I got followed from Stockmens, down 4th street to the corner of River Street. I realized what was happening so acted lost, crossed the street and walked back to Stockmens and took another route to Mona's. Anywhere can be unsafe if you allow the situation to head that way.

Quote from: flagrunner on June 18, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
So the health side of things is the same, safety-wise? In which case the only concerns would be non-mongering issues (gangs, drugs, etc). I've been reading up and apparently Zona Norte, where the brothels are, is safe provided you don't do anything stupid like stagger out of a bar drunk and head down an alleyway or something. Tripadvisor research suggests that there are plenty of police around the tourist area. Doesn't appear to be any less safe than any other foreign destination, and the same principles re keeping your wits about you, would apply.  Interesting...

Ironically, last year I got followed from Stockmens, down 4th street to the corner of River Street. I realized what was happening so acted lost, crossed the street and walked back to Stockmens and took another route to Mona's. Anywhere can be unsafe if you allow the situation to head that way.

When I walk I just go straight down 3rd street.  Going by the Western Inn always makes me wonder and I'm on the lookout for something that could turn bad especially at night.  But I normally will drive. 

Now to the Police, I would take Elko PD over any Mexican Police. 

Quote from: flagrunner on June 18, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
Ironically, last year I got followed from Stockmens, down 4th street to the corner of River Street. I realized what was happening so acted lost, crossed the street and walked back to Stockmens and took another route to Mona's. Anywhere can be unsafe if you allow the situation to head that way.

You go down 4th? I usually just stay on 3rd when I'm walking down there. Any reason as to why you take that particular route?

Quote from: Wildfire on June 18, 2020, 12:13:19 PM
When I walk I just go straight down 3rd street.  Going by the Western Inn always makes me wonder and I'm on the lookout for something that could turn bad especially at night.  But I normally will drive.   

I hear that. I usually won't go near that place at night... it freaks me out, especially if there are people hanging outside of it. I'll usually cross the street after leaving Mona's and keep near the Star Hotel, before crossing the street again at Silver Street.

Quote from: SToN3y on June 18, 2020, 12:16:35 PM

Quote from: flagrunner on June 18, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
Ironically, last year I got followed from Stockmens, down 4th street to the corner of River Street. I realized what was happening so acted lost, crossed the street and walked back to Stockmens and took another route to Mona's. Anywhere can be unsafe if you allow the situation to head that way.

You go down 4th? I usually just stay on 3rd when I'm walking down there. Any reason as to why you take that particular route?

My guess so it won't be as obvious where he is going. ;D

Madam Tara posted that the governor extended Phase 2 to July 30th.  Brothels can't open until Phase 3.  Looking like August if the ranches open again?

https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA (https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA)

Quote from: wb69 on June 16, 2020, 09:53:47 AM
Some groups should have filed lawsuits awhile back. At least Wisconsin overturned their Gov. This is just to keep the economy down until the election to hurt TRUMP in most of the states that have not opened yet. Not to mention the moral police to keep the brothels closed. My guess August :-[

Like your post!

Quote from: Phoenix on June 18, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
Madam Tara posted that the governor extended Phase 2 to July 30th.  Brothels can't open until Phase 3.  Looking like August if the ranches open again?

https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA (https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA)

Fuck it!  I'm going to TJ...

Quote from: Phoenix on June 18, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
Madam Tara posted that the governor extended Phase 2 to July 30th.  Brothels can't open until Phase 3.  Looking like August if the ranches open again?

https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA (https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA)

Phoenix, questioning your post.  First, you said Madam Tara.  The link you disclosed is from Madam Dena (Sheri's).  They're two different ladies.  Second, while I did read Madam Dena implied Phase 2 extended to July 30, I believe she meant to say June 30.

Quote from: COH on June 18, 2020, 02:18:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix on June 18, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
Madam Tara posted that the governor extended Phase 2 to July 30th.  Brothels can't open until Phase 3.  Looking like August if the ranches open again?

https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA (https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA)

Phoenix, questioning your post.  First, you said Madam Tara.  The link you disclosed is from Madam Dena (Sheri's).  They're two different ladies.  Second, while I did read Madam Dena implied Phase 2 extended to July 30, I believe she meant to say June 30.

But what year?  It won't be 2020!   So by then, how many will reopen?   None because it's not worth all the headaches.

Quote from: Phoenix on June 18, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
Madam Tara posted that the governor extended Phase 2 to July 30th.  Brothels can't open until Phase 3.  Looking like August if the ranches open again?

https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA (https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA)

I think she's mistaken. Nowhere am I reading that that's the case. I think she misunderstood and it's June 30th... OR she made a typo!

Quote from: COH on June 18, 2020, 02:18:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix on June 18, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
Madam Tara posted that the governor extended Phase 2 to July 30th.  Brothels can't open until Phase 3.  Looking like August if the ranches open again?

https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA (https://twitter.com/RanchMamaDena/status/1273637429807845383?cxt=HHwWjsC0hdKf76wjAAAA)

Phoenix, questioning your post.  First, you said Madam Tara.  The link you disclosed is from Madam Dena (Sheri's).  They're two different ladies.  Second, while I did read Madam Dena implied Phase 2 extended to July 30, I believe she meant to say June 30.

Sorry typo on the madam's name.  I checked both to see who,else may have posted.  June 30th wouldn't be too bad.

Madam Trudy just confirmed end of July. Holy shit.

I still have my doubts since he hasn't made an announcement regarding phase 2 since Monday and the few articles we DO have says it's only being extended to the end of the month.

At the end of the day, they're not open until Bozo says they can open, which MIGHT be Phase 3, but could very well be Phase 4. Nobody in Carson City seems to even be thinking about the brothels nor do they seem to care. And his "roadmap" is just a line drawn across the page with four stops on it... not much more detail to go on than that

I guess they're not open until I can walk my happy ass into Mona's and have some fun with Mila, Saphire, Cherry, and the rest... feels like such a long time ago!

I'm starting to get over my Cathouse withdrawals... catching up on debts, saving up my money, trying to see the good in it all!

They could just be hearing the same rumors?  End of July would be horrible.

Quote from: Wildfire on June 18, 2020, 12:21:30 PM

Quote from: SToN3y on June 18, 2020, 12:16:35 PM

Quote from: flagrunner on June 18, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
Ironically, last year I got followed from Stockmens, down 4th street to the corner of River Street. I realized what was happening so acted lost, crossed the street and walked back to Stockmens and took another route to Mona's. Anywhere can be unsafe if you allow the situation to head that way.

You go down 4th? I usually just stay on 3rd when I'm walking down there. Any reason as to why you take that particular route?

My guess so it won't be as obvious where he is going. ;D

Your guess was wrong. I just happened to be exiting Stockmens by the door at the corner of 4th street on that occaision. It was at the Stockmens door when I started getting followed. Only noticed when I crossed Silver Street.

Quote from: flagrunner on June 18, 2020, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: Wildfire on June 18, 2020, 12:21:30 PM

Quote from: SToN3y on June 18, 2020, 12:16:35 PM

Quote from: flagrunner on June 18, 2020, 11:52:54 AM
Ironically, last year I got followed from Stockmens, down 4th street to the corner of River Street. I realized what was happening so acted lost, crossed the street and walked back to Stockmens and took another route to Mona's. Anywhere can be unsafe if you allow the situation to head that way.

You go down 4th? I usually just stay on 3rd when I'm walking down there. Any reason as to why you take that particular route?

My guess so it won't be as obvious where he is going. ;D

Your guess was wrong. I just happened to be exiting Stockmens by the door at the corner of 4th street on that occaision. It was at the Stockmens door when I started getting followed. Only noticed when I crossed Silver Street.

That really doesn't surprise me.   That end of the building has more people just standing around and some look a little shady.

 

Madam Dena at Sheri's ranch posted on Twitter that they are reopening in phase 3. The Governor extended phase 2 to July 30th and hopefully that was a typo.  At this rate, the brothel industry is never going to be the same.

Quote from: ugetwhatugive on June 19, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
Madam Dena at Sheri's ranch posted on Twitter that they are reopening in phase 3. The Governor extended phase 2 to July 30th and hopefully that was a typo.  At this rate, the brothel industry is never going to be the same.

I know it seems bad now, but remember that the brothels survived the AIDS epidemic. If they can do that, they can survive this.

Difference is that during the HIV/AIDS epidemic the brothels were never closed.  Now it looks like 4 1/2 months with zero business, not sure all will survive.

Quote from: Shooter on June 19, 2020, 05:07:52 PM
Difference is that during the HIV/AIDS epidemic the brothels were never closed.  Now it looks like 4 1/2 months with zero business, not sure all will survive.

Yes, there is a big difference.

https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/State-of-Nevada-reports-1953-positive-cases-of-COVID-19-569432291.html

It will be 2021 if they ever reopen.  And to how many survive that's a good question.  The big 3 maybe.  Also, next year the Nevada Legislature could play a big factor if they ever reopen.

Are we talking when or if?  Washington Post reports increased cases in NV.   MR or moundhouse opening?  We may find out by week of July 6. 

Quote from: Armond on June 27, 2020, 02:00:29 PM
Are we talking when or if?  Washington Post reports increased cases in NV.   MR or moundhouse opening?  We may find out by week of July 6.

It will not be anytime soon.  No matter what Lance or Suzette may say or want. 
With mandatory masks and social distancing orders by Sisolak no way, he will let brothels open for business.

Here in northwest Indiana, next to Chicago, the Massage Envy salons have been reopened for over a month. This is legitimate, therapeutic massage, but would be considered close contact. Both parties are supposed to wear masks, though once the door closes, that can change. Before the session, they take your temperature at the lobby and ask some general questions.

So I have wonder why they can be doing something similar in brothels before too long. Granted, you could say that brothel activities are physical more intimate, but in both situations, there is no social distancing and a lot of touching goes on. Massage Envy has no idea if a customer might be a carrier but not sick, at least they take their  temperature and then trust them to wear a mask, even if the massage lady says they don't need it in the room.

What may happen, and I would hate to see this both for the mongers and the girls working, that brothels close until there is a vaccine, because that could take until next year.

That's how they might have to do it.  The whole virus thing has become so, so partisan.  Your democratic govs have dug themselves a hole and they are not going to admit they were wrong.  Look at the shitstorm over schools reopening.  Left behind in that soap opera are the parents and the kids.  Both are pawns in the game. 

Quote from: hoten on July 14, 2020, 07:57:02 PM
That's how they might have to do it.  The whole virus thing has become so, so partisan.  Your democratic govs have dug themselves a hole and they are not going to admit they were wrong.  Look at the shitstorm over schools reopening.  Left behind in that soap opera are the parents and the kids.  Both are pawns in the game.

I agree. This might look a lot different after November 3rd.

Quote from: SAM on July 18, 2020, 10:19:52 PM

Quote from: hoten on July 14, 2020, 07:57:02 PM
That's how they might have to do it.  The whole virus thing has become so, so partisan.  Your democratic govs have dug themselves a hole and they are not going to admit they were wrong.  Look at the shitstorm over schools reopening.  Left behind in that soap opera are the parents and the kids.  Both are pawns in the game.

I agree. This might look a lot different after November 3rd.

Don't forget by then you have seasonal flu contending for the same hospital resources as COVID. It could be 100% worse as well (ie the real 2nd wave, this is just the first wave extended from NYC to the rest of the country).

Nursing homes and prisons were the hot spots this spring and early summer.  Colleges and universities will be the hot spots  Aug - Oct. especially in the South.  It will get ugly.   

It sounds like no time soon. Governor just announced Washoe,Nye, Clark and Elmo would remain in their current situation. I also heard some of the casinos in Vegas are already announcing the cancellations for shows that they were planning to reopen in August.  The brothels will not open this year. Just a prediction unfortunately.

Quote from: mikejt on July 27, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
It sounds like no time soon. Governor just announced Washoe,Nye, Clark and Elmo would remain in their current situation.

That was regarding the bars in those counties.

He also announced that he's getting rid of the phases and will start to reopen businesses on an individual level based on county, compliance, and current infection rate. He'll be rolling out the long-term mitigation strategy by next Monday. Hopefully the brothels are somewhere on that list so we can end the speculation.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that Elko is now currently in the infection "red zone" along with Clark... this doesn't bode well for the northern brothels, unfortunately :(

Quote from: SToN3y on July 28, 2020, 12:21:01 AM

Quote from: mikejt on July 27, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
It sounds like no time soon. Governor just announced Washoe,Nye, Clark and Elmo would remain in their current situation.

That was regarding the bars in those counties.

He also announced that he's getting rid of the phases and will start to reopen businesses on an individual level based on county, compliance, and current infection rate. He'll be rolling out the long-term mitigation strategy by next Monday. Hopefully the brothels are somewhere on that list so we can end the speculation.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that Elko is now currently in the infection "red zone" along with Clark... this doesn't bode well for the northern brothels, unfortunately :(

He goes from having no plan to still having no plan. Now it's whatever business / industry that complains the most and provides him the biggest campaign contribution.

And for the brothels they will remain closed until COVID 19 is declared over.
Brothels reopening are not a pirorty for most of the elected officials in Nevada and most would probably prefer they just remain closed.

Wildfire has it right.  The brothels will be the last thing to reopen and some law makers in Nevada would prefer that they remain closed forever.

If history repeats itself, just like prohibition or abortions, people will find a way to satisfy their needs.

Covid will never "Go away" it's been here for years in different strains. It just depends on how the media decides to spin it and how frantic the governors want us to be at the given moment.

I'm hoping that it will be this fall, and magically after the election.

Q

Quote from: Q on July 28, 2020, 06:52:56 AM
If history repeats itself, just like prohibition or abortions, people will find a way to satisfy their needs.

Q

Yup!  ;)

Quote from: Q on July 28, 2020, 06:52:56 AM
If history repeats itself, just like prohibition or abortions, people will find a way to satisfy their needs.

Covid will never "Go away" it's been here for years in different strains. It just depends on how the media decides to spin it and how frantic the governors want us to be at the given moment.

I'm hoping that it will be this fall, and magically after the election.

Q

Come 21 if the brothels are still closed you will just see an increase in the indie action particularly in the Reno area.

It already goes on now. But come January, February, or March if the  Mustang and Carson area brothels are still closed. You are going to have all the indies smelling blood in the water. The indie scene in the north will become more Vegas like. Once the sun sets. The ladies that go well er um bump in the night will make there presence known across the state of Nevada.

Quote from: Ironman on July 28, 2020, 01:22:33 PM

Quote from: Q on July 28, 2020, 06:52:56 AM
If history repeats itself, just like prohibition or abortions, people will find a way to satisfy their needs.

Covid will never "Go away" it's been here for years in different strains. It just depends on how the media decides to spin it and how frantic the governors want us to be at the given moment.

I'm hoping that it will be this fall, and magically after the election.

Q

Yes, they're already starting to advertise.  I can't say I'm surprised

Come 21 if the brothels are still closed you will just see an increase in the indie action particularly in the Reno area.

It already goes on now. But come January, February, or March if the  Mustang and Carson area brothels are still closed. You are going to have all the indies smelling blood in the water. The indie scene in the north will become more Vegas like. Once the sun sets. The ladies that go well er um bump in the night will make there presence known across the state of Nevada.

Quote from: Phoenix on July 28, 2020, 03:23:39 PM

Quote from: Ironman on July 28, 2020, 01:22:33 PM

Quote from: Q on July 28, 2020, 06:52:56 AM
If history repeats itself, just like prohibition or abortions, people will find a way to satisfy their needs.

Covid will never "Go away" it's been here for years in different strains. It just depends on how the media decides to spin it and how frantic the governors want us to be at the given moment.

I'm hoping that it will be this fall, and magically after the election.

Q

Yes, they're already starting to advertise.  I can't say I'm surprised

Come 21 if the brothels are still closed you will just see an increase in the indie action particularly in the Reno area.

It already goes on now. But come January, February, or March if the  Mustang and Carson area brothels are still closed. You are going to have all the indies smelling blood in the water. The indie scene in the north will become more Vegas like. Once the sun sets. The ladies that go well er um bump in the night will make there presence known across the state of Nevada.

The advertising you are seeing now is just the start the indies getting ready to well er um jump on a big business opportunity.😄😄

Watch what happens next spring if the tourist numbers in Reno return closer to before covid-19 numbers, but the Mustang in particular because it is the closest legal brothel to downtown Reno is still closed. The advertising you are seeing now is just the foundation for what will happen next if!....😄😄

Optimistic view JMO in Nevada the last things opening again (at full capacity) could be Conventions, Concerts, Shows, Raiders and Golden Knights home games, other sporting events, etc, maybe nightclubs..... key words is at full capacity.  What's the difference is the large number of people X,XXX and even XX,XXX in each place.  Brothels capacity don't approach X,XXX.  Therefore, don't believe the brothels will be the last to open again.
LOL

Quote from: Wildfire on July 28, 2020, 04:44:19 AM

Quote from: SToN3y on July 28, 2020, 12:21:01 AM

Quote from: mikejt on July 27, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
It sounds like no time soon. Governor just announced Washoe,Nye, Clark and Elmo would remain in their current situation.

That was regarding the bars in those counties.

He also announced that he's getting rid of the phases and will start to reopen businesses on an individual level based on county, compliance, and current infection rate. He'll be rolling out the long-term mitigation strategy by next Monday. Hopefully the brothels are somewhere on that list so we can end the speculation.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that Elko is now currently in the infection "red zone" along with Clark... this doesn't bode well for the northern brothels, unfortunately :(

He goes from having no plan to still having no plan. Now it's whatever business / industry that complains the most and provides him the biggest campaign contribution.

And for the brothels they will remain closed until COVID 19 is declared over.
Brothels reopening are not a pirorty for most of the elected officials in Nevada and most would probably prefer they just remain closed.

Do you believe in possessing an optimistic view?

🤔Based on personal  research I have done on covid 19 and the world wide  progression for a vaccine !
     If all them ducks line up in a row perfectly  with no vaccine draw backs, set backs  or failures 👍
  By January-febuary...production of the vaccine will fire up and depending on how much vaccine heads straight to the rich or famous people 🤔🙄😑
The general public Will get a taste in  March-April 🤗🤗🤗
   The leading version of the vaccine will be two injections  28 days apart 🥳
    genuinely  boys and girls the math spells Wright about now...

Next year 2021🙏
Mydeepest wish is that we can get a few partys in before the next  C.O.Y. BANQUET 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 THIS MONGER ...is worried 🤔 that his penus will fall off before a  BROTHEL is legal to GET-R-DONE 🎉🎉🎉👍🙈🙉🙊
A PERSONAL GUESS ONLY🤔

Quote from: COH on July 28, 2020, 09:52:10 PM

Quote from: Wildfire on July 28, 2020, 04:44:19 AM

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Quote from: mikejt on July 27, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
It sounds like no time soon. Governor just announced Washoe,Nye, Clark and Elmo would remain in their current situation.

That was regarding the bars in those counties.

He also announced that he's getting rid of the phases and will start to reopen businesses on an individual level based on county, compliance, and current infection rate. He'll be rolling out the long-term mitigation strategy by next Monday. Hopefully the brothels are somewhere on that list so we can end the speculation.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that Elko is now currently in the infection "red zone" along with Clark... this doesn't bode well for the northern brothels, unfortunately :(

He goes from having no plan to still having no plan. Now it's whatever business / industry that complains the most and provides him the biggest campaign contribution.

And for the brothels they will remain closed until COVID 19 is declared over.
Brothels reopening are not a pirorty for most of the elected officials in Nevada and most would probably prefer they just remain closed.

Do you believe in possessing an optimistic view?

So do you believe in reality or just unicorns and rainbows?  The reality is the brothels are closed by the government because of a perceived communicable disease called COVID-19.  Until there is and liberal excepted treatment and prevention for COVID-19 no elected official in Nevada will be willing to sign their name to any law allowing prostitution or brothels to reopen. And since the closing of brothels effect less than.1% of the Nevada population and makes virtually no money for the state coffers there is no political pressure to reopen the brothels.

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Quote from: SToN3y on July 28, 2020, 12:21:01 AM

Quote from: mikejt on July 27, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
It sounds like no time soon. Governor just announced Washoe,Nye, Clark and Elmo would remain in their current situation.

That was regarding the bars in those counties.

He also announced that he's getting rid of the phases and will start to reopen businesses on an individual level based on county, compliance, and current infection rate. He'll be rolling out the long-term mitigation strategy by next Monday. Hopefully the brothels are somewhere on that list so we can end the speculation.

What I'm more concerned about is the fact that Elko is now currently in the infection "red zone" along with Clark... this doesn't bode well for the northern brothels, unfortunately :(

He goes from having no plan to still having no plan. Now it's whatever business / industry that complains the most and provides him the biggest campaign contribution.

And for the brothels they will remain closed until COVID 19 is declared over.
Brothels reopening are not a pirorty for most of the elected officials in Nevada and most would probably prefer they just remain closed.

Do you believe in possessing an optimistic view?

So do you believe in reality or just unicorns and rainbows?  The reality is the brothels are closed by the government because of a perceived communicable disease called COVID-19.  Until there is and liberal excepted treatment and prevention for COVID-19 no elected official in Nevada will be willing to sign their name to any law allowing prostitution or brothels to reopen. And since the closing of brothels effect less than.1% of the Nevada population and makes virtually no money for the state coffers there is no political pressure to reopen the brothels.

Optimistic view goes a long way!  Rainbows, love them!  Ever see a full Double Rainbow?  So cool!  At the end of a rainbow you may find a pot of gold!  Unicorns, love them!  They bring smiles and fortune!  What's your favorite Unicorn?  How about good luck Horses?  Love them too!  The Horse named Miracle from, The History of the World Part 1 is a wonderful Horse..... BTW that's an awesome comedy!  Do you believe in a Miracle?  Stay positive!

:)   :D   ;)

Does anyone know of any updates from the "good" governor of Nevada? Google is not yielding anything and I had hoped we'd get at least some reopening news, even if it doesn't pertain to the brothels. Any press conferences scheduled?

Don't hold your breath.  I see that New Zealand and Hawaii have been hit with outbreaks.  That probably means Nevada's Governor will put the state or lockdown for another eighteen months. 

I saw a lady on twitter who is taking appointments for october. I dont know if she knows something we dont or if i missed an annoucement but take it for what you will.

Quote from: James_200 on August 19, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
I saw a lady on twitter who is taking appointments for october. I dont know if she knows something we dont or if i missed an annoucement but take it for what you will.

Which brothel?

We already know one is sanctioning outdates.  So you could have missed something.It also could be she is just thinking positive. So you don't need to say her name, but how about which brothel she calls home?

Quote from: Ironman on August 19, 2020, 03:05:06 PM

Quote from: James_200 on August 19, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
I saw a lady on twitter who is taking appointments for october. I dont know if she knows something we dont or if i missed an annoucement but take it for what you will.

Which brothel?

We already know one is sanctioning outdates.  So you could have missed something.It also could be she is just thinking positive. So you don't need to say her name, but how about which brothel she calls home?

It's one of the Pahrump houses.

Quote from: James_200 on August 19, 2020, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: Ironman on August 19, 2020, 03:05:06 PM

Quote from: James_200 on August 19, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
I saw a lady on twitter who is taking appointments for october. I dont know if she knows something we dont or if i missed an annoucement but take it for what you will.

Which brothel?

We already know one is sanctioning outdates.  So you could have missed something.It also could be she is just thinking positive. So you don't need to say her name, but how about which brothel she calls home?

It's one of the Pahrump houses.

OK fair enough taking it on faith she is advertising appointments for seeing her at the ranch and not as an indie.

Then you didn't miss anything she probably doesn't know anything either she is just taking it on faith the ranch  she works out of will be allowed to open by October. 

If you follow on Twitter and IG closely Occasionally you will see tentative dates posted that so far have all come and gone.

Its possible she meant to say she was talking appointments for a tentative October opening.  I would hope if a deposit Is required, and her ranch needs to remain closed all deposits will be refunded.

The panel is meeting to day to consider re-opening bars statewide at midnight tonight. At 50% capacity.

Quote from: Shooter on August 20, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
The panel is meeting today to consider re-opening bars statewide at midnight tonight. At 50% capacity.

Yes but bars have nothing to do with them allowing a brothel to reopen. 
Its simple bars make the state money. Casino bars will help the state's bank account.
Brothels you have no social distancing, no masks when having sex with someone outside of who you live with. And no direct cash to the state's bank account from the brothels.
Then you add Lance pulling a play out of the Hof playbook and giving the Governor the middle finger over his so call escort service. 
So don't be surprised if the brothels remain closed.

Clark county bars are to remain closed indefinitely.
  Nye County bars outside the Town of Pahrump may reopen tonight at midnight.

    So since Cr and Sheri's sit on an island of county land and are not in the town of Pahrump maybe they could at least open the bar area's

Quote from: Shooter on August 20, 2020, 01:49:38 PM
Clark county bars are to remain closed indefinitely.
  Nye County bars outside the Town of Pahrump may reopen tonight at midnight.

    So since Cr and Sheri's sit on an island of county land and are not in the town of Pahrump maybe they could at least open the bar area's

So Sisolak emergency order closing brothels hasn't been rescinded.

What I'm afraid of is that they might insist on waiting to open the brothels until there is a Covid vaccine available. Most of the "experts" say that that may not happen until early next year, BUT I heard on Fox news yesterday that president Trump said a vaccine may be available November 1st. Maybe this is just wishful thinking on his part, I don't know, but you can believe that every developed nation in the world is busting ass trying to come up with a safe, effective vaccine.

My concern is not for myself, but for the ladies that work at the brothels. They may be very skilled at what they do, but those skills may not translate to any other work outside the brothel, and being out of work this long can really take a toll, not just financially but emotionally and every other way.

I do not believe the brothels will ever reopen again legally.  They aren't legal in the most populous counties so I doubt there will be a crying constituency for this to ever occur.   

Quote from: hoten on September 05, 2020, 04:46:27 PM
I do not believe the brothels will ever reopen again legally.  They aren't legal in the most populous counties so I doubt there will be a crying constituency for this to ever occur.

If the statutes allowing brothels are still intact by next year, and there are vaccines and tests available, there is no reason that the brothels won't reopen again. I would really doubt that the legislature would pass a law let's say by mid-2021 to change the statutes. I'm not in Nevada but I haven't heard of a groundswell of folks lately wanting the brothels banned.

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Quote from: hoten on September 05, 2020, 04:46:27 PM
I do not believe the brothels will ever reopen again legally.  They aren't legal in the most populous counties so I doubt there will be a crying constituency for this to ever occur.

If the statutes allowing brothels are still intact by next year, and there are vaccines and tests available, there is no reason that the brothels won't reopen again. I would really doubt that the legislature would pass a law let's say by mid-2021 to change the statutes. I'm not in Nevada but I haven't heard of a groundswell of folks lately wanting the brothels banned.

No, there are real problems in this country, and I doubt many people are making banning brothels  a priority. Why wouldn't brothels reopen like any other business? I'm sure the owners are doing whatever they can do get them reopened, they're not going to just give up.

It would be in the state's best interest to keep them open. Unless they don't care about money.

Wait until all these states see next year their shortfall on taxes! ALL TAXES! Property, sales, business, fees, all of them. You think you have high taxes now, just wait.

Quote from: James_200 on September 06, 2020, 10:39:19 AM
It would be in the state's best interest to keep them open. Unless they don't care about money.

The states don't care about the loss of money.  It is the small towns and limited population counties that will be hurting for money.

In Nevada, the governor's base is Reno and Las Vegas.  The rest of Nevada doesn't count, in his eyes.

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Quote from: James_200 on September 06, 2020, 10:39:19 AM
It would be in the state's best interest to keep them open. Unless they don't care about money.

The states don't care about the loss of money.  It is the small towns and limited population counties that will be hurting for money.

In Nevada, the governor's base is Reno and Las Vegas.  The rest of Nevada doesn't count, in his eyes.

Your are right. The brothels don't contribute directly to the States bank account. 

You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

Quote from: Ironman on September 07, 2020, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

You bring up some very good points. I was just looking at it from a house point of view. With conventions being off in Vegas and Reno . Visitors to Nevada are down. The number of customers that a house would get would also be down. The cost of attempting to make both ladies and clients feel safe would be too high for anyone to profit. I know there are several ladies who have said they would not return til they feel safe from this virus and also the fact that you can be asymptomatic and still be contagious is dangerous. I don't think they will reopen until a vaccine is out there and the virus is under control.

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Quote from: Ironman on September 07, 2020, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

You bring up some very good points. I was just looking at it from a house point of view. With conventions being off in Vegas and Reno . Visitors to Nevada are down. The number of customers that a house would get would also be down. The cost of attempting to make both ladies and clients feel safe would be too high for anyone to profit. I know there are several ladies who have said they would not return til they feel safe from this virus and also the fact that you can be asymptomatic and still be contagious is dangerous. I don't think they will reopen until a vaccine is out there and the virus is under control.

"The cost of attempting to make both ladies and clients feel safe would be too high for anyone to profit."
--mikejt




Really?

What happens when # of ladies and # of clients don't feel they're at risk from Covid-19?  In this situation why can this work between # of ladies and # of clients?  And why can a brothel be profitable?

What I have noticed on SIN, a few posters have a grasp what's going on with Covid-19.  For example, thank you wb69.  While other posters have continued or turned into being the opposite of positive.

Quote from: Ironman on September 07, 2020, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

Not necessarily "the girls are the ones taking the biggest risk".  What happens when # of ladies believe they're not at risk?  Take this a step further..... # of ladies believe any member in their household is not at risk?  So Ironman, do you communicate with every lady working in Nevada brothels?  Ever notice quite # of ladies want to return soon, very soon, working in a brothel?   Why is your reasoning incorrect?

Quote from: COH on September 09, 2020, 07:27:03 PM

Quote from: Ironman on September 07, 2020, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

Not necessarily "the girls are the ones taking the biggest risk".  What happens when # of ladies believe they're not at risk?  Take this a step further..... # of ladies believe any member in their household is not at risk?  So Ironman, do you communicate with every lady working in Nevada brothels?  Ever notice quite # of ladies want to return soon, very soon, working in a brothel?   Why is your reasoning incorrect?

COH shut the fuck up! Stop twisting my words around.

I never said the girls were not going to return to work at a brothel stop acting like F tard! We already know some of them already have. Those ladies currently providing outdates with MR as the go between are real breathing humans.

The girls will  have had recent Covid tests before reporting for work. But that doesn't mean there client has had one.

If you think the vast majority of the would be brothel clients are going to get a test just so they can then pay 1K or more for sex you would be mistaken.

So yes COH the girls are taking the bigger risk. They have a test that comes back negative. They report to work.

But that doesn't mean they won't get a client who has it and doesn't even know it.

So yes COH the girls will be taking the greatest risk. If you can't understand my point you are not real bright.

I never anywhere in that post said the girls wouldn't work. I told Mike not to over think it. I then pointed out the risk is greater to the girls then the clients.  If you can't understand that then maybe you need to go back to Kindergarten.🙄

Stop quoting me and trying to twist my words. To push your agenda.

I never said the ladies wouldn't return or that they didn't want to. You are just trying to start an argument

I have only really only communicated with one in the last couple months, and as of last time we comunicated she was planning on returning. So do yourself a favor COH shut the fuck up! Stop quoting people out of context, and trying to twist what I and others are saying to push your agenda.

The brothels will open when they open, and yes in the early days of the reopening the girls will be taking the bigger risk. Its not my fault you can't see that COH.  That doesn't mean the ladies won't return. Some might wait. Others might have gotten tired of waiting for the brothels to reopen, and moved on. But there will still be enough ladies that will be willing to work. Knowing full well there will be some risk. But life is a gamble. The idea is to try and stay in the game for as long and as best you can.

https://youtu.be/KTQJy-scAU8

 "But life is a gamble. The idea is to try and stay in the game for as long and as best you can."

I like that! A worthy motto to live by.

Quote from: billwh on September 11, 2020, 09:46:59 PM
"But life is a gamble. The idea is to try and stay in the game for as long and as best you can."

I like that! A worthy mo Yuhtto to live by.

I can't really take credit for it.  Basically I just took a line from that video I put in my last post, and changed it a little bit to try and make my point. I think the actual line in the song is God made life a gamble and we're still in the game....

So I used that line for inspiration and basically put my own spin on it.  Anyway glad you.like it. Maybe its simplifying things a little bit, but its basically true.👍🏻

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Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

Not necessarily "the girls are the ones taking the biggest risk".  What happens when # of ladies believe they're not at risk?  Take this a step further..... # of ladies believe any member in their household is not at risk?  So Ironman, do you communicate with every lady working in Nevada brothels?  Ever notice quite # of ladies want to return soon, very soon, working in a brothel?   Why is your reasoning incorrect?

COH shut the fuck up! Stop twisting my words around.

I never said the girls were not going to return to work at a brothel stop acting like F tard! We already know some of them already have. Those ladies currently providing outdates with MR as the go between are real breathing humans.

The girls will  have had recent Covid tests before reporting for work. But that doesn't mean there client has had one.

If you think the vast majority of the would be brothel clients are going to get a test just so they can then pay 1K or more for sex you would be mistaken.

So yes COH the girls are taking the bigger risk. They have a test that comes back negative. They report to work.

But that doesn't mean they won't get a client who has it and doesn't even know it.

So yes COH the girls will be taking the greatest risk. If you can't understand my point you are not real bright.

I never anywhere in that post said the girls wouldn't work. I told Mike not to over think it. I then pointed out the risk is greater to the girls then the clients.  If you can't understand that then maybe you need to go back to Kindergarten.🙄

Stop quoting me and trying to twist my words. To push your agenda.

I never said the ladies wouldn't return or that they didn't want to. You are just trying to start an argument

I have only really only communicated with one in the last couple months, and as of last time we comunicated she was planning on returning. So do yourself a favor COH shut the fuck up! Stop quoting people out of context, and trying to twist what I and others are saying to push your agenda.

The brothels will open when they open, and yes in the early days of the reopening the girls will be taking the bigger risk. Its not my fault you can't see that COH.  That doesn't mean the ladies won't return. Some might wait. Others might have gotten tired of waiting for the brothels to reopen, and moved on. But there will still be enough ladies that will be willing to work. Knowing full well there will be some risk. But life is a gamble. The idea is to try and stay in the game for as long and as best you can.

https://youtu.be/KTQJy-scAU8

"the girls are the ones taking the biggest risk"
--Ironman




Ironman since you're a know-it-all  :) will ask you a few questions:




Describe different people who are probably at risk from dying from Covid-19?

Describe different people who are probably NOT at risk from dying from Covid-19?

YOUR OPINION, in the United States what is the REAL mortality rate from Covid-19?  What I mean by REAL, people who TRULY die from Covid-19.

Why could the brothels have different policies regarding Covid-19?

What is the type of Covid-19 test used?

When do people get the results?

How accurate are the results?

When did you hear or read ONLY ladies will be required testing for Covid-19?  Why is it possible clients are required testing for Covid-19?  Why is it possible neither ladies or clients are required testing for Covid-19?

Ironman why could you be SPECULATING?

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"I have only really communicated with one in the last couple months, and as of last time we communicated she was planning on returning."
--Ironman

Face the facts none of us knows for sure when of if they will reopen at this point in time.

Keep up the hope and good thought for the ladies, staff workers, and owners.

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Quote from: Ironman on September 10, 2020, 08:13:28 AM

Quote from: COH on September 09, 2020, 07:27:03 PM

Quote from: Ironman on September 07, 2020, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: mikejt on September 07, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be how would they reopen ?  The services offered there don't lend to social distancing. How many houses would reopen given how they would have to operate would be another good question and the liability they would be risking if someone gets the virus and dies. This is a lawsuit based world after all .  It would be all risk with potentially low reward.

Don't over think it The brothel can just have the clients sign a release of some type keeping the brothel in the clear. The girls will be taking a much bigger risk than the clients will be  If people are going to be that concerned about catching Covid at the brothel Don't go to one. Stay the F home! If you are afraid people don't go simple.

The girls are the ones talking the biggest risk.  They are the ones that have to get naked with some random stranger.

Not necessarily "the girls are the ones taking the biggest risk".  What happens when # of ladies believe they're not at risk?  Take this a step further..... # of ladies believe any member in their household is not at risk?  So Ironman, do you communicate with every lady working in Nevada brothels?  Ever notice quite # of ladies want to return soon, very soon, working in a brothel?   Why is your reasoning incorrect?

COH shut the fuck up! Stop twisting my words around.

I never said the girls were not going to return to work at a brothel stop acting like F tard! We already know some of them already have. Those ladies currently providing outdates with MR as the go between are real breathing humans.

The girls will  have had recent Covid tests before reporting for work. But that doesn't mean there client has had one.

If you think the vast majority of the would be brothel clients are going to get a test just so they can then pay 1K or more for sex you would be mistaken.

So yes COH the girls are taking the bigger risk. They have a test that comes back negative. They report to work.

But that doesn't mean they won't get a client who has it and doesn't even know it.

So yes COH the girls will be taking the greatest risk. If you can't understand my point you are not real bright.

I never anywhere in that post said the girls wouldn't work. I told Mike not to over think it. I then pointed out the risk is greater to the girls then the clients.  If you can't understand that then maybe you need to go back to Kindergarten.🙄

Stop quoting me and trying to twist my words. To push your agenda.

I never said the ladies wouldn't return or that they didn't want to. You are just trying to start an argument

I have only really only communicated with one in the last couple months, and as of last time we comunicated she was planning on returning. So do yourself a favor COH shut the fuck up! Stop quoting people out of context, and trying to twist what I and others are saying to push your agenda.

The brothels will open when they open, and yes in the early days of the reopening the girls will be taking the bigger risk. Its not my fault you can't see that COH.  That doesn't mean the ladies won't return. Some might wait. Others might have gotten tired of waiting for the brothels to reopen, and moved on. But there will still be enough ladies that will be willing to work. Knowing full well there will be some risk. But life is a gamble. The idea is to try and stay in the game for as long and as best you can.

https://youtu.be/KTQJy-scAU8

"the girls are the ones taking the biggest risk"
--Ironman




Ironman since you're a know-it-all  :) will ask you a few questions:




Describe different people who are probably at risk from dying from Covid-19?

Describe different people who are probably NOT at risk from dying from Covid-19?

YOUR OPINION, in the United States what is the REAL mortality rate from Covid-19?  What I mean by REAL, people who TRULY die from Covid-19.

Why could the brothels have different policies regarding Covid-19?

What is the type of Covid-19 test used?

When do people get the results?

How accurate are the results?

When did you hear or read ONLY ladies will be required testing for Covid-19?  Why is it possible clients are required testing for Covid-19?  Why is it possible neither ladies or clients are required testing for Covid-19?

Ironman why could you be SPECULATING?

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"I have only really communicated with one in the last couple months, and as of last time we communicated she was planning on returning."
--Ironman

COH you are boring😴😴😴 As usual you are trying to twist what I am saying around. Obviously you want to get another topic locked.

See this is why you have been price walked COH. Its not what you want to pay, or the activity you request its that you are boring!😴😴😴

I never claimed to know everything. that is you just acting like an idiot Trying to Start an argument.

You are right  its possible neither the client or the lady will have  had a recent covid test.

However the brothel might ask the lady to submit to one before she starts her tour as part of their normal weekly medical check. But you are technically right the brothel may not require it. But if they think it will help convince the political powers that be it will help get the brothels reopen you can bet they will want the ladies to take one.

The vast majority of would be clients won't want to be providing documents to the brothel just so they can then pay for sex.

So OK COH fine technically you are right neither side may have a covid test. But I can see where the brothel may want the girls to have one as part of their weekly medical check. To show the powers that be their girls are safe as a condition of getting reopened. But requiring the client show proof of a recent test will only hurt the brothels profits.  So yes I am speculating, but it's speculation based in logic.

Technically the girls already take the bigger risk. They go through their weekly medical testing. The client doesn't do all that before going to the brothel.

So I will stand by my claim the risk is greater to the girls. If for no other reason they will have no clue when the last time the client went to a doctor for any reason let alone a covid test.

As for me having contact with at least one lady that has toured at a brothel in the 7 or 8 months big deal. That means nothing. I still communicate with my Retired ATF and she hasn't worked in a brothel since The summer of 2013.

I keep in contact with selected people. What they currently do for a living is not my concern. I just hope they have some income coming in because I care about them as people. I consider them friends. I care about people I consider friends.

Don't read too much into me keeping in contact with at least one current working girl. At least as of February she was currently still an active LPIN girl.

Finally again COH sorry but you are boring😴😴😴

There is no need for you to pick apart every single little word of someone's post. Then try argue about it.  Find a hobby COH!

Maybe that old persons hobby Knitting?  Worked out Ok for Selvester Stalone's character in Demolition Man. Just be careful where you leave your knitting needles.🤣🤣

Maybe you can get a vegetable Garden going.🤣🤣

There  has got to be something you can do other than picking apart other people's post on here, and then try start arguments with them about it. Find a new hobby COH!😐😐

Ok, Ironman  :) you want to discuss price walks..... let's discuss.  Based upon your posts your negotiation method is rather very simple, maybe an example.... here's money for you, party now!  (You may NOT ask for expectation of time)  Am I correct?  Almost like you're at the mercy of a lady and you're afraid experiencing a failed negotiation.  Whereas, in the past when I negotiate with a lady for the first time..... I asked for an expectation of party time which was usually 60 minutes.  Why?.... I prefer at least 60 minute parties instead of a quickie party or an abbreviated party of 60 minutes, rates are simplified, and by seeing a lady's reaction.... how quickly is an agreement or not an agreement.  When a lady doesn't want to agree to a 60 minute party  ;) very possible a failed negotiation is for the best.  When you don't ask for expectation of time.... you could encounter a quickie party or abbreviated party of 60 minutes or you're taking a higher risk with a party not at your quality expectations.  Of course if that's all the time you want than that works for you.  Although Ironman, wonder why all the one and done parties?  If I recall correctly, you mentioned one of your past parties with a specific lady was considered a quickie party?

You're aware the Mustang is my favorite brothel.  FYI, the last time I experienced a failed negotiation at the Mustang was in 2017.  Tell you a story.  One past 2017 morning, I scheduled an appointment with a Mustang lady for later in the day.  I arrived at the Mustang around lunchtime and took a seat at a table wanting to order lunch.  Around 6 Mustang ladies viewed me (several I never met)..... What happened?  One at a time the 6 Mustang ladies approached me and clearly were interested partying with me.  Being specific..... one of these 6 ladies wanted to join my appointment later for a two-girl party.  I declined her invitation.  Though I did find her attractive.  Perhaps at another time I would consider partying with her.  Time passes.... another day at the Mustang.... I see the same lady who just liked when she originally met me, showed high interest wanting to party with me.  During our conversation, I asked would you like to party.  She agreed.  Honestly, I believed a successful negotiation would happen because of a couple reasons.  In the negotiations room.... the lady said for this amount of time.... there's a house minimum of "blank".  I attempted negotiated with the lady about what she wanted.  I kept hearing..... there's a house minimum of "blank".  Because I kept hearing not the truth, I said to her..... time to end the negotiations.  The lady looked disappointed and said to me we'll have fun.  Said to the lady.... I want to end the negotiations.  Later, I heard from a few voices..... the lady was upset because and she wanted to party with you.

Ironman, will tell you, I definitely could NOT accept the lady's asking price.  Shows you never know what could occur during a negotiation.  Ironman, you may want to revise your "word" from earlier describing me with failed negotiations.

Quote from: COH on September 13, 2020, 04:46:32 PM
Ok, Ironman  :) you want to discuss price walks..... let's discuss.  Based upon your posts your negotiation method is rather very simple, maybe an example.... here's money for you, party now!  (You may NOT ask for expectation of time)  Am I correct?  Almost like you're at the mercy of a lady and you're afraid experiencing a failed negotiation.  Whereas, in the past when I negotiate with a lady for the first time..... I asked for an expectation of party time which was usually 60 minutes.  Why?.... I prefer at least 60 minute parties instead of a quickie party or an abbreviated party of 60 minutes, rates are simplified, and by seeing a lady's reaction.... how quickly is an agreement or not an agreement.  When a lady doesn't want to agree to a 60 minute party  ;) very possible a failed negotiation is for the best.  When you don't ask for expectation of time.... you could encounter a quickie party or abbreviated party of 60 minutes or you're taking a higher risk with a party not at your quality expectations.  Of course if that's all the time you want than that works for you.  Although Ironman, wonder why all the one and done parties?  If I recall correctly, you mentioned one of your past parties with a specific lady was considered a quickie party?

You're aware the Mustang is my favorite brothel.  FYI, the last time I experienced a failed negotiation at the Mustang was in 2017.  Tell you a story.  One past 2017 morning, I scheduled an appointment with a Mustang lady for later in the day.  I arrived at the Mustang around lunchtime and took a seat at a table wanting to order lunch.  Around 6 Mustang ladies viewed me (several I never met)..... What happened?  One at a time the 6 Mustang ladies approached me and clearly were interested partying with me.  Being specific..... one of these 6 ladies wanted to join my appointment later for a two-girl party.  I declined her invitation.  Though I did find her attractive.  Perhaps at another time I would consider partying with her.  Time passes.... another day at the Mustang.... I see the same lady who just liked when she originally met me, showed high interest wanting to party with me.  During our conversation, I asked would you like to party.  She agreed.  Honestly, I believed a successful negotiation would happen because of a couple reasons.  In the negotiations room.... the lady said for this amount of time.... there's a house minimum of "blank".  I attempted negotiated with the lady about what she wanted.  I kept hearing..... there's a house minimum of "blank".  Because I kept hearing not the truth, I said to her..... time to end the negotiations.  The lady looked disappointed and said to me we'll have fun.  Said to the lady.... I want to end the negotiations.  Later, I heard from a few voices..... the lady was upset because and she wanted to party with you.

Ironman, will tell you, I definitely could NOT accept the lady's asking price.  Shows you never know what could occur during a negotiation.  Ironman, you may want to revise your "word" from earlier describing me with failed negotiations.

🙄🙄 😴😴😴 Shocking you missed my main point entirely.

No I do not want to discuss prices with you.

The here money for you line is not real dumb ass! I say that in my post for entertainment purposes I would bet the readers of my post know that.  If you truly believe I actually say that in negotiations. You really truly not that bright.

Yes I do make Take it or leave it offers. I haven't had wiggle room in my party budget when I book since 2012.

Its not about being afraid to negotiate. I just know there is zero wiggle room in my party budgets. So it is just easier t cut out the Bullshit and I make my best offer and I do have expectations I expect actual sex not just oral or a hand Job.

I also request she start the clock after I am out of the shower. It takes me longer. So either allow more time for that when. The party is booked or wait till I am on the bed.

I don't feel the need to make a lot of demands I only have what I have. So I make it simple for the lady. This is what I have right now. Either its enough to get naked and freaky on the mattress or its not.  There is no need to discuss every little detail. Not every negotiation needs to be treated like a collective baraganing agreement. No need for lawyers or agents.

You haven't been price walked in two years good for you.  I have never been price walked and unfortunately due to circumstances almost every other party I had to make it work with a different girl. Except for  very short period of about a year between the summer of  2012, and the summer of 2013.

Whatever it doesn't matter anymore.

Even if the brothels open up fully tomorrow. I won't be going, or at least I won't be booking. A

I am not working right now. So.....No brothels for me. Maybe again someday. But not anytime soon. 

So far my job search is dead on arrival.

So do me a favor COH and just shut up. I really am not in the mood for your song and dance.

Pick apart someone else's post. Please leave me alone.

I sincerely hope your favorite place opens soon. I also hope your no walk streak continues. Mine goes all the way back to 02. With at least one party every year with that exception of 2017. I don't count giving Charlotte a 20 for sitting and hanging out with me for over an hour as a party.  Up through 2019. I had to slow down in 2014, because of money being tight.   Now I unfortunately have to stop completely Until further notice because of job loss.  Maybe I will return someday maybe I won't. Time will tell.  Anyway Coh get back to me in 10 Years if your streak of not getting price walked is still intact I might be impressed maybe!😉

https://youtu.be/80yQvj1jxM8

https://youtu.be/iArsylwqoP8

Any thoughts on what the governor said tonight regarding gatherings? Does this have any effect on brothel reopenings?

From what I was hearing, absolutly none. Here is a link if anyone wants to listen to Der Fuhrer's speach its on facebook

From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Quote from: SToN3y on September 29, 2020, 07:24:50 PM
From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Why would the governor even bother?  His party base is Las Vegas and Reno.  The rest of the state doesn't matter to him.

Quote from: MrTShirt on September 29, 2020, 09:17:47 PM

Quote from: SToN3y on September 29, 2020, 07:24:50 PM
From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Why would the governor even bother?  His party base is Las Vegas and Reno.  The rest of the state doesn't matter to him.

You are right MrTSirt. And COVID 19 is a convenient way to end the brothel industry without even haveing a vote by the legislature. You just keep them closed indefinitely for public health safety reasons.  Because eventually all the brothel owners will be bankrupt and just throw in the towel and give up and move on with thier lives.

Quote from: Wildfire on September 30, 2020, 04:08:34 AM

Quote from: MrTShirt on September 29, 2020, 09:17:47 PM

Quote from: SToN3y on September 29, 2020, 07:24:50 PM
From what I'm reading in the transcript, just a big old nothing burger... capacity limits increase in venues from 50 to 250 or 50% capacity (as long as that 50% is at or under 250), that's it. He mentioned Nevada's hospitality industry in passing, but otherwise no update regarding the brothels specifically.

I wonder, has his office even been communicating with the industry? Has his task force even entertained guidelines for the brothels to partially reopen?

Why would the governor even bother?  His party base is Las Vegas and Reno.  The rest of the state doesn't matter to him.

You are right MrTSirt. And COVID 19 is a convenient way to end the brothel industry without even haveing a vote by the legislature. You just keep them closed indefinitely for public health safety reasons.  Because eventually all the brothel owners will be bankrupt and just throw in the towel and give up and move on with thier lives.

Maybe you're right...

Stage 5: Acceptance

As long as there is:
Money to be made
Palms to be greased
Taxes to collect
Nuts to drain

The brothel industry will not end.
This sayeth the Q   ;D

Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

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Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti lpin agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates  risk for spreading covid even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed (or only operating for "dates") indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:26:16 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:27:15 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:26:16 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:34:09 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:27:15 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:26:16 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Thanks, Randy. That helps to clarify. I do think it is a good sign that the Guv has at least not opposed LPIN publicly but opening the brothels does seem like more of a political calculation given that there are voters that weigh these things.

I still think though that if the risk is on the patron (signing a form) and rapid testing is used in some way, that should at least technically manage the risk from the science perspective. Nothing is foolproof though. Even before COVID-19, you could never completely ensure that someone wouldn't pick up something in LPIN. While the record of not contracting HIV in LPIN from an active worker has been pretty much 100%, other STDs were reported occasionally and I'm guessing Herpes was still being transmitted too because it's just highly prevalent in the population, not consistently tested in every brothel and hard to protect against. So you really can only do the best that you can and because the risk of closure was always born by the owners if someone did pick up HIV, they seemed to do a really good job. I mean, LPIN has actually had a pretty stellar record given all the parties (thousands, millions?) that have taken place since it was legalized. 

As Q said, the selling of flesh isn't going to stop. It's been around since people have been fucking and money was invented. So you might as well think of a way to do it that works best for everybody and LPIN, in my mind, has always been the best model except of course for the cost. But that extra cost is worth it to me as the best insurance from catching something I don't want and keeping the ladies safe too. I know I am preaching to the choir here...but just saying, once COVID starts to be managed, I'm thinking the brothels will be back too but likely scaled back.

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:34:09 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:27:15 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:26:16 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Is it because the virus itself weakens, or that people build up a limited immunity, that is then passed down from those that survive the first wave to their children and it becomes a generational thing. A darwinism effect after the virus takes out the most vulnerable?

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Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:34:09 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:27:15 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:26:16 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Is it because the virus itself weakens, or that people build up a limited immunity, that is then passed down from those that survive the first wave to their children and it becomes a generational thing. A darwinism effect after the virus takes out the most vulnerable?

Very interesting. Here's what I heard from Dr Fauci on the news not long ago. The virus, any virus, I guess, mutates in order to survive. If it is deadly enough to kill its host, that limits its own chance of survival. So over time the virus weakens. Makes sense; as long as the host is not killed by the virus, he/she can pass it on to other people.

Quote from: billwh on October 03, 2020, 11:01:08 AM

Quote from: georoc01 on October 01, 2020, 10:39:00 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:34:09 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:27:15 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:26:16 AM

Quote from: Randy Marsh on October 01, 2020, 03:20:00 AM

Quote from: Jack Rackham on October 01, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
Question: Has Governor Sisolak ever publicly opposed legal brothels or made disparaging remarks about them? I looked but couldn't find anything on the internet that says he would like to see brothels go away. He's also a democrat and democrats and independents tend to be more supportive of decriminalization of prostitution than republicans. He's on record in supporting the pot industry and generating revenue from it. So those of you who think his motive is to see the brothels go broke and then ban them by default do you have other information? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I'm just asking because I really don't know and curious.

No. Governor Sisolak hasn't pursued an openly anti brothel agenda. He hasn't passionately defended LPIN either. It's likely he would likely keep the ranches closed if public opinion favored it.

Even though democrats and independents might me more supportive of legalizing or decriminalizing sex work than Republicans they are often heasitant to adopt an openly pro sex work stance because they might worry that it would cost them votes. I could easily see Sisolak taking a passive stance here and doing nothing to reopen the brothels to avoid political risks. I imagine the decriminalization or legalization stance on sex work is less popular now given the pandemic situation: "social distancing" is the new way of life and this hobby isn't conducive to it. There is no way to remain 6 feet apart during intimate in person encounters. Many people are still worried about catching the virus.

Also, I find the whole "escort license" thing odd...I think it is just a way to try to target the brothels and shut them down for good and it does little to stop covid from spreading. Alot of guys aren't going to visit them for just a platonic date so the ranches will continue to suffer financially. Allowing LPIN girls to go on "dates" without sexual activity won't really create a experience with no risk of catching covid unless both parties are required to get tested for covid, avoid outdates to crowded events, wear masks, and stay six feet apart during the whole date (even then there is some small chance of catching it). The virus spreads primarily through inhalation...two people in a room together breathing creates some risk for spread even without intimate contact.

Being in a crowded concert, casino, or a choir is probably more risky than sexual contact between two people.

I think there is a good chance that covid may remain with us indefinitely..though perhaps in a weakend form with milder effects after alot of people get infected or vaccinated. This may be used as an excuse to keep the ranches closed indefinitely... effectively accomplishing the goals of the anti lpin groups.

It's hard to get rid of viruses completely.

I remember hearing somewhere that the common cold, which is part of the coronaviruses family, once started as a much deadlier and widespread and never went away..instead  it just weakened over time.

Is it because the virus itself weakens, or that people build up a limited immunity, that is then passed down from those that survive the first wave to their children and it becomes a generational thing. A darwinism effect after the virus takes out the most vulnerable?

Very interesting. Here's what I heard from Dr Fauci on the news not long ago. The virus, any virus, I guess, mutates in order to survive. If it is deadly enough to kill its host, that limits its own chance of survival. So over time the virus weakens. Makes sense; as long as the host is not killed by the virus, he/she can pass it on to other people.

That's certainly true. Take Ebola. Far more deadly than any of these coronavirus. But its so deadly it starts killing its hosts faster than it can be passed on.

But going back in history, one of the biggest issues with the Europeans coming to the Americas was that the natives had never been exposed to the virus's that had come through Europe and it was devastating to the native populations.

What's been different about this one is that length and strength of the viral load you are exposed to makes a big difference how bad it is. Which is why masks make a big difference. The more intense the exposure, the more sick you get.

Quote from: Adventure Guy on April 29, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
Based on today's Nevada governor announcement it doesn't sound like LPIN is opening in May. 

https://www.fox5vegas.com/coronavirus/gov-sisolak-says-nevadas-stay-at-home-order-will-be-extended/article_155c9d68-8a44-11ea-ae27-eb481a9c6f10.html

So I am hoping LPIN opens back sometime in the summer.

My original guess was way off.  I'm hoping now that most of LPIN reopens sometime in 2021 - wishing sooner rather than later.

I'm glad to to know that many ranches have COVID safety protocols defined and plan to implement once they are allowed to reopen:
https://nevadabrothelassociation.com/protocols/